Vox Fooger - Better than a MURF

For those who follow modulars, I am sure you are familiar with the formant filters, those little marvels that make a synth sound like a voice. How about a formant fooger (sound good at least right?). One that has two rows of setting and morphs between two formant settings or even uses an LFO to cycle between them.

Thumbs up or down? :confused:

I could buy one of those, instantly.

Hell yeah.

Bode filter reissue? Those are cool.

Absolutely … a good self-contained formant filter is one of the very few effect types that I still need.

I’d buy one, but how are they going to sell them for other instruments, like they do the others?

Certainly there’s a market for such a thing in the synth and stringed-instrument worlds, and I couldn’t imagine something like the Freqbox being any more useful than a formant filter for say percussion or something. Which instruments do you feel would be excluded?

Guitar and bass, I guess.

The EHX Bassballs is a very popular pedal, and there are some mods to increase the pedal’s versatility. There is also a Rocktron ā€˜Heart Attack’ that I think is basically a bassballs clone. The only other formant filter on the market in stompbox form I know of was recently released, and is based on the Colorsound Dipthonizer, it is the TWA Little Dipper.. and they’re pretty expensive!

You know there has to be a market for a formant filter in the guitar/bass world when people start doing this! (you can also drill two holes in the top and add knobs to the fiter freq dip switches for easy adjustment)

I’d be very interested in a murf-styled formant fooger. The only formant filters Ive tried were the bassballs, and a few cheesy digital synth pedals with formant presets… and other than the ones I mentioned, the markets wide open! :stuck_out_tongue:

I didn’t know the bassballs was a formant filter. I have one, and I can get the EXACT and I mean EXACT same sound out of the Voyager. Its uncanny how close it sounds.

THad mod looks AWESOME! Please send me a link to it.

Eric

Here is a more sophisticated version of the same.

The rack mount, EH, Bi-Filter:

http://www.ehx.com/products/bi-filter

I looked at the Little Dipper and the Baseballs. Three major drawbacks:

  1. No control of the individual filter characteristics (resonance frequency)

  2. No control votages

One of the reasons I went a bit crazy buying foogers (although I don’t regret it) is that they can be controlled by a controll voltage. To the guitar player who just wants to plug in a guitar and turn a few knobs, there are a whole host of fairly low cost pedals out there of high quality. Certainly Electroharmonix has an expecially ecclectic line where you can find boxes like ā€œBaseballsā€. But no control voltage.

One of the electronic artists that has inspired me is Morton Subotnick. Now to the pop crowd, his name means nothing but Subotnick used what he called ghost tracks to control voltages for a modular synth (I think almost exclusively Buchlas). With products like MOTU’s Volta and Expert Sleepers ā€œSilent Wayā€ and a DC coupled audio interface the complex setup of Subotnick can now be realized in a much simpler way and in effect, control votages can be sequenced.

Think of this as a group of people moving knobs on effects based on a musical score. This is now possible but only with CV controlled effects, very few of which I have seen other than from Moog.

So to the guitar stomp box crowd, I would re-direct to Electro Harmonic, you will find what you want there, but for those doing more experimental forms of music, CV is the way to go.

Another product that I should mention is Moog’s own MP-201. It offer 4 independent control voltages with LFO and pedal control which creates and easy way to control the score of 4 independent CVs in real time.

So what I am saying is that CV opens up new worlds and while other pedals may sound great and do interesting things, there is nothing out there like foogers for serious experimenatation.

Erik- Unfortunately I’ve never been able to find much info about that mod… the only one I could lead you to is the easy one- bringing the freq trimpots to the outside of the case… if you’re interested in that one, let me know and i’ll send you a link.

Lux_seeker - That’s basically the point I was trying to make to HB3, in so many words; There is definitely a market for formant filters in the guitar/bass world, but unfortunately as the case often is, the number of options is limited, and the few formant filters out there are very simple and do not allow for external control. And while it may a relatively niche market for such a thing, compared to the lowpass filter or phaser for instance, I think a formant 'fooger would be much more appealing to the ā€˜average user’ than something like the Freqbox (which I happen to find indispensable). The more I think about it, the more I want one!

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Regarding ghost tracks, Ive been brainstorming on a similar path lately while programming Freqbox patches with my MP201-- I don’t need the same real time control of the Freqbox, that I do the filters and other gear, and Im short on CV outs anyway, so Im thinking MOTU Volta is in my near future. I play synth bass and makes beats in ableton which I control with a foot controller, so with Volta, I could set up patches with all the vibrato, pwm, etc that change as needed when I send midi notes to change the beat and change my bass line (freq, wave, etc adjustments on the freqbox, hands free), and I can focus on the MP201 controlling my filters and modulation, which requires a lot of my attention (i like to control filter manually a lot, and also for switching subdivisions, presets, etc). I’ve also been using the MP201’s presets to dial in a few frequency zones, allowing me to move around the neck more freely and still keep the pwm and vibrato ā€˜centered’ while hardsync’d-- this is most needed with the squarewave as its the most limited with hard sync-- but again, this requires minimum of 2 outs from the Freqbox, and Im about add a 2nd Freqbox… so adding Volta and having it all programmed up with an array of Freqbox patches, I could add a whole extra layer of movement and sound to my arsenal, for lack of a better…erm.. uh, term. If I understand its capabilities correctly, I’d also be able to program some wild lfo’s for filter modulations I can’t pull off with an MP201. Anyway, my brainstorm is spilling over into the forums, excuse the *edit! --oh man, I just thought of some other stuff,:shock: but I’ll take that over to the controllers forum before I take this completely off topic :laughing:

If you are thinking about Volta I would recomend Expert Sleepers ā€œSilent Wayā€ which might even be a more flexible product and will play well with Live. This link has videos of Live:

http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/index_files/tag-silent-way.php

It also has a Windows version which Vota does not have.

I also think that Volta and Silent Way are moving in a very possible direction. There is no doubt that analogue synthesizers are back especially modulars. But with computers, there is no reason not to use them to control CVs and function as envelopes and LFOs. These products provide in many ways the best of both worlds.

Ive been thinking about lfo’s controlling certain Live functions in recent weeks (assuming by some function within Live), but hadn’t gotten around to looking into how I could actually acheive such a thing.. and then Silent Way comes along and says it wants to do it, and everything Ive imagined that the MP201 does not! CV outs of the computer to control some analog gear, and some of my analog CV’s going from the hardware, into the computer to add some life to delays, modulation, volumes.. based on my playing dynamcs, or sync’d with filter modulations, or… whatever!

Hot damn, thanks for posting that! The list of things to do, try, learn about.. grows exponentially. gahh!

Best of both worlds indeed!