v2.0 - LPTE/SE - OS soon?

Thank g*d we doesn’t have Radio Shack i Sweden then … :laughing:

Thanks for letting us know, Amos.

It would be very generous of you if you made a stripped OS for not upgraded Tributes. Really.

Personally, I would be very glad if there were a possibility to upgrade the Tribute memory, either by myself (following some simple description) or by leaving it to someone else. A “Tribute upgrade pack”? That would be something worth spending some euro on … :wink:

This is definitely in the plans. :smiley:

WTF !!
i’m not very happy at all
again money to spend away !!

I bought a tribute last year to have the high end moog line

and the tribute is now the low end line… :frowning:

the cheaper the better ?
sorry to say that but
us tribute people are getting abused…

Well, the synth you bought is the synth you have. Nothing has changed regarding that. What other product you bye do you get several updates for?
You can’t expect the things you buy to be etarnally updated to the latest version for free.
It is generous of Moog to regulary supply us with new OS. But when the new OS requires new hw it’s only fair to pay for it. Especially since the sw is for free.

I understand how you feel…
but what we do in the future changes nothing about the instrument you already own. It is not abuse for us to make improvements to our future products! That is how we grow and progress as a company.

As for spending money, we have not set a price for any upgrades yet, but we want to be very fair to our Tribute customers; the memory upgrade will not be expensive. I’ll have more definite information very soon.

ok,

i’ was thinking Moog to be more attentive to Tribute owners
for this reason i’ve bough a Tribute far more expensive than the Stage,
and the Stage now is now more valuable.

and i was thinking that Moog will update first Tribute then others

i dont want to be sarcastic but
what is the advantage to own a Tribute ?
less modulation… less memory… less feature…

hk

It was first,
it is a tribute to Dr. Robert Moog.
Do you remember when the Tribute Edition was released?
It was the first new synth we released since the passing of Dr. Moog.
We were so proud to be continuing his legacy, using the circuits which he designed.
It was a great honor to make these instruments.
For the first year, there was only the Tribute Edition,
so if you wanted a Little Phatty, that was it.

We intentionally made only a limited number of the Tribute Edition,
as a sort of a collector’s item, a limited edition.
When that was finished, surely you did not want us to stop making this instrument? I hope not.

When it came time to make another edition of the Little Phatty, of course we could take some lessons we had learned from the Tribute Edition and try to make the instrument even better. Do you think we should have chosen not to make any improvements to the musicality of a Moog instrument, out of respect for the feelings of Tribute Edition owners? That doesn’t make sense to me.

We certainly did not intend any disrespect to Tribute Edition owners
by continuing to make our new instruments as good as we can make them to be. You will note that we do all we can to include the Tribute Edition in our progress, by offering free operating system upgrades and making any hardware upgrades available as well.

I think this is as fair as we can be. If you would like to upgrade the hardware of your tribute edition and you have difficulty in finding a technician to do the work, I will work personally with you to try to make the necessary arrangements.

If you see the Tribute Edition only for its value to you as a tool,
you might prefer to sell it and get a Stage Edition instead.

Amos, if you plan on upgrading memory it would be cool if you added more peformance sets. I use a performance set for each song I play, so having only 4 is far from enough, it shouldn’t be a problem, now would it?

(I bet the question for more patch memery - second 100 bank is going to be someone’s next post) :wink:

Take care

I bought a LP Tribute before the Stage I was released. I rang around to see who had the Stage but it was days away before it’s release.
I chose the Tribute because of it’s classic look and the fact that it was going to be virtually the same machine as the Tribute.
Granted I was a little disappointed (after several months of bliss with the LP) when I tested the Stage in a Guitar Center and heard some enticing sounds not possible on the TE…but not enough to have ANY regrets.
It’s been a while since the tribute was actually released, not when I others chose to buy it later in the game. So now that there’s a chance to upgrade the unique, special edition of this wonderful synth, it feels great.
I think the fact that Moog are involving Tribute owners as much as they do is commendable considering how much work it would take to have several hundred TEs being sent in for the tune up.

Hell, at least Moog doesn’t treat its customers like Apple do. Never perfecting a product, but keeping the cost at a premium and releasing something twice as powerful in 6 months for the same price.
I’m proud to be a Moog owner…that’s just my 2 cents.

As a Tribute owner, I have no quarrel with Moog about its limitations
I specifically chose to buy one long after the Stage was on the market

That being said, I wouldn’t take the trouble and money to get it upgraded hardware-wise
Arpeggiator would be a nice addition if the free software update can implement it
Otherwise I can live happily without it and I’ll sure don’t want to spend any more money on my Tribute
Again, I’m not saying that in order to criticize Moog Music, because I understand that there are technical matters involved, just expressing my personal position as a user!

I agree with you on some parts Amos,
it’s just a different point of view
but
i bought a TE over the SE (available at the same time) to be sure to have a “premium” unit witch means for most of users a “better” synth, the one with all the features, the more upgradable, etc. , and no the “beta test” synth. (i know i’m a bit excessive… )

I will work personally with you to try to make the necessary arrangements.

i will ! i thank you for that. i’ll install it a soon as possible

If you see the Tribute Edition only for its value to you as a tool,
you might prefer to sell it and get a Stage Edition instead.

no, i still like it :slight_smile:

best

Will us Tribute guys still be getting the auto off mod matrix fix for the noise problem? Other than that I dont have a problem with my LP… I bought it for the features that were listed… It’s goofy to buy something in anticipation of possible future features… thats why I haven’t gotten the Iphone yet :stuck_out_tongue:

Rob G

Exact same question I wanted to ask!
About the EGR Matrix digitalish noise bug?

I’m not sure I understand the position of the TE owners. Synthesizers are subject to the same obsolescence as other technology driven products. If you bought the first iphone, do you think it would be better than an iphone 5 years from now? Even if they called it a Tribute to Steve Jobs edition, how could it possibly be more valuable than later models?
If you thought Moog has some sort of obligation to keep up the value of your synth by only releasing inferior products to the TE, then you really need to learn more about business and investing.

Technology will always be better next year.

There is no “position of the TE owners”. We all have different views on this matter.
Mine, for instance, is that

  1. it is most generous of Moog to supply us with free OS upgrades. That makes it more likely for me to buy a Moog next time.
  2. it is not ok to not fix the noise bug. That makes it less likely for me to buy a Moog next time.

like the TE and the SE were at the same time available in France.
and the SE was announce as the “lite” version, i prefered the TE over the SE for that reason.

i was wrong : the TE is now a lite version of the SE.

but i’m glad that moog is making upgrades

Technology will always be better next year.[/quote]

Not sure I agree with that, think there are many examples to be found where it is not the case.

I do agree with Assar
It’s great to have OS updates adding functionalities and if some of them aren’t available for the TE, too bad, but I made my choice of the TE and I’ll stick to that

On the other hand I expect it to work properly and I’d be very disappointed if the noise issue wasn’t resolved in the next update, or WORSE if it was to be resolved by a hardware upgrade

Well, i guess it just feels weird the way this upgrade goes.

I mean, i can understand that technology improves, but it’s strange to see that the Synth you bought is updated again and again over time, and at the end of the line, you bought something that’s inferior to the the more newish designs.

Given that the Phatty is not even two years old, having two revisions already is difficult to ignore. I couldn’t care less about the USB port of the LP II, or the extra mod route of the Stage Ed., that’s really something i didn’t buy the LP for. But if i will be left in the rain when it comes to some other “software” features that owners of newer LPs get, i guess i might be too much reminded of the endless upgrading procedures that modern PCs bring with them (Memory, Graphics cards etc).

In 1986 you bought an Amiga, and were able to use it with almost every game and application coming out up to 1992, where progs started to need enhanced memory. That’s four years where i didn’t buy any stuff, and my computer was up to the task and ran all of the available software.
Two years ago when i bought my last computer, two months later my 500 Euro graphics adapter wasn’t able to display the hardest settings of some games anymore, one year later it’s getting kind of trash already and almost doesn’t run any high end games anymore.
At the end of the line, i am into consoles for my gaming needs, and use my “shitty 2 years old computer” for daily stuff like internet etc…
I have learned my lesson finally.


Now, this metapher might be hard, but i start feeling a little bit like that with the LP now.
I am so bored of modern electronics upgrade weirdness.

I thought buying a Moog is different in that way, representing some kind of steadiness in this weird world of throw away VST plug ins, that don’t run anymore in next years Operating System or PC. But if Moog starts telling me that i cannot install a part of the newest OS Upgrade in my “yesterdays synth” that i bought a year ago it’s hard to avoid getting the same feeling that i have on those other electronic appliances, that i am so tired with, and might just buy some old stuff of eBay like i did before. I know that if there will ever be a LP OS 3.0 the Tribute will not be a target “platform” for it anymore.

I am NOT against upgrading technology over the years, but i think it’s important to use some common sense how to handle that with your product.

For me my Moog LP is not comparable to an iPhone like someone did a few posts earlier.

And by all costs, i think Moog as a company should try to avoid giving its customers that “modern consumer appliance” feeling.


I love my Little Phatty and don’t regret buying one, even if i knew about the LP II i would have bought the Tribute Edition, and am very thankful and looking forward to the upcoming LP OS 2.0, but on the same time i have a weird feeling about the news that the Tribute will not even be able to have all of the software features that the newer versions will get.

Sorry for the long and grumpy old geezer like post, hope my bad english didn’t annoy you guys too much. :wink:

Mike

Alesis and Kurzweil stopped making OS updates for the A6 and K2600. All I had left to count on was my Moog. I guess now I’ll have to throw my Phatty in the trash along with my Andromeda and Kurzweil. Stupid useless junk.