Well im definitaly buying a Voyager RME in January but unsure what expanders to get with it. I know that the RME edition does not come with the CV inputs and outputs that the keyboard edition does (the ones on the top). So does the VX-352 basically just add on whats missing from the keyboard edition?
What should i get then, i can get the RME and two add ons, between VX-351 - VX-352 - CP-251 or a moogerfooger (probably ring mod)
also.. first post 
I would say the 352 and 251 first. Then a 351 along with other devices.
You can do a ton with the 251 and the ability to route it into the RME. Then with the 351 you can use about anything for mod and routing with other CV devices. (Since the 251 is the most expensive of the three, it’s best to get it at first to help soften the blow later.)
Get the RME and the VX-351 and 352…so you have a complete little system. I’ve used the set up (selling it now actually) and it’s really sweet. Just my 2 cents tho. The ring mod is a very nice addition to the Voyager, so you’re in no danger of regretting the purchase if you choose that route.
Welcome to the forum! 
Thanks for the replies folks..
ah i get it now.. the 351 and 352 are good additions to the voyager on its own. having a nice little (semi?) modular setup?
while the CP-251 can be used to connect muliple CV units?
Ok i should be able to buy this week, just mooching around for a good deal.
Im only going to go for the RME with the VX-352 at this point. Im even considering just getting the RME. Does the 352 open up massive sound capabilities out of the box, or is it best to have the 351 and other modular gear hooked up?
also.. can somebody point me in the direction to what patch cabels to get and how many. also heard that you should use a certain type of cable for the headphone out, into the external in?
im getting excited 
cheers.
From my own experience:
The VX-352 alone has a very limited influence to the sound of the RME because it has only CV inputs. If you can not afford the CP-251 as addition now or in the near future, I would buy the MF-102 as first addition to the RME.
Greetings from germany,
Frank
If you want to be able to have access to all of the modulation routings that are available to the RME, then you’ll want to get both the VX-351 and the VX-352.
If you then want to mix two CVs into one, and have an additional LFO, an additional sample-and-hold, and an additional noise source, along with a CV lag processor, two CV attenuators, and a couple of 4-way mults, then the CP-251 is what you need.
All three of these modules are basic to getting the most out of your RME as regards CV routing and manipulation. They allow your RME to function as a semi-modular synth. You will really want to consider getting all three if (or when) you can afford to.
As regards patch cables, tip/sleeve cables will suffice. As to how many? That’s probably something you’ll beed to determine for yourself. To route the output of the headphone to the external in, use a 4 foot tip-sleeve patch cord. Plug one end part-way into the headphone jack (one click), and plug the other end into the ext. input jack. Route the cord around the back of the control panel so it doesn’t get in your way. Adjust the headphone output and the ext. in pots as needed, and don’t be afraid of the red LED on the ext. input as you can’t hurt anything if you max it out.
Hope this helps,
Bob
Thanks for the replies fellas!
what i want to know is there much i can with just the vx-352 and RME, like can u run a patch cable from one part of the 352, to another part of the 352? . I have no other CV gear, and as you probably have figured im a complete CV noob 
Yes! Just remember that outs go to ins. 
will stuff blow up
I don’t believe that you can use a VX-352 to loop CVs from the RME back into itself. I believe the VX-352 only provides a means for receiving CVs into the RME. To get CVs out of the RME, you will need the VX-351.
Can’t he run some of the stuff on the 352 to the attenuators, though? 
Are the attenuators actually built into the voyager, or are they in the 351/352? If they are actually in the voyager, I think it might cause some routing problems, but if they in the expansion units themselves, I think everything would be fine.
No CVs come out of the VX-352, they only go into it.
He can run CVs from an external source into the RME through the VX-352. However, if he wants to loop CVs from the RME back into itself, he needs the VX-351.
Welcome to the forum, and welcome to the club!
First I have to ask what are you wanting your system to do?
If you have absolutely no CV gear, then it really doesn’t make sence to get both the 351 and 352. Yes you can patch the cv outs to the cv ins, but after a while (in my opinion) this would get very uninspiring very quickly.
The Voyager just by itself is a pretty powerful synth. How much experience do you have with synthesis in general?
The vx 351 provides the outs, and the Vx352 provides the ins. You would be able to double up on the LFO’s, you would be able to attenuate their amounts, but really the 351 provides the abillity to externalize what is already going on internally in the voyager. Having some extra LFO’s and attenuating them is nice, but in my opinion pretty limited with out the benefit of other CV gear to patch things into. Limited in my opinion in regards to the amount of money you are spending to have ONLY these features.
See, the voyager is a great tool, very capable. But with the 351/352 you aren’t really adding much. These two units help the voyager integrate into an already growing or established system. This will let you control other modular gear with your voyager, or have the RME slaved to it. If you don’t have ANY other CV gear at all, it is a bit ambitious to have the voyager expanders, but little gratification in the end cause theres limited realms to control.
Im all about trying to get the MOST features for my money. Money is tight and I want to be able to do the MOST possible. The CP 251 is a good module for this, but again, when the voyager is the sole source and destination, this is fairly limited.
Decide for yourself what you would rather see…your voyager controlling something, or your voyager slaved by something else.
With all of the synthesis power or modulations available through the busses and the software, me personally I would make the voyager the source for voltages and a Fooger of some type a destination. With this in mind the Vx351 is your first purchase.
With that in mind, you need some type of Fooger to go with it. The Ringmod is a good candidate because it does very interesting things in the audio chain. You can definately use the RIngmod’s voltages to good effect in addition to still being in the audio chain.
The phaser is good as well, and like the ringmod would reside primarily in the audio chain but also has an lfo and can be modulated while in the audio chain.
Its really hard to think about what foogers one with an RME would need. THe decisions become much easier once you already have the 351 and 2, but Id like to see you continuing to be inspired while you wait to add on.
Eventually you realize that you DO need the 351 and 2, but only when you have at least 1 fooger to interface both ways with your RME. WHen you have 1 fooger or more then the cp251 really expands your horizons.
Even if you didn’t get either of the 351 or 352 at this point, you still wouldn’t go wrong buying the 102 and another fooger to process JUST in the audio chain. Those extra jacks would be taunting you until you got either of the expanders or the CP 251.
Figure out and let us know what your immediate needs are for your band or your studio projects, figure out what you want to be able to do in the short term with your system, figure out whether or not you would be happy with staying JUST in the audio chain, and then listen to the sound samples on the homepage. Check out youtube demonstrations of the foogers (there are some on my youtube channel and others) and then let us know what you are thinking. Don’t rush into this cause its quite a bit of money to spend. Id hate to see you get something and not be happy with Moog because you bought the wrong gear and was dissapointed.
Eric
eric, thanks very much for that post. the reasons i was unsure about buying the expanders was that for the past year or so, i thought that these expanders DO have the ability to control other external CV gear, but with just the two of them they can also work together to open up other magical routing techniques and sounds.
after searching forums and reading posts i became a bit unsure as to what they could do. Id say im pretty experienced in the world of synthesis.. I have two VA’s and one analogue synth but only now am i getting into CV/Moog. Fingures crossed that i get the RME this week or next.
again eric, i dont think you could have put that post any more clearer (it should be stickie’d somewhere for beginners like myself).. and u can bet that i’ll be in the market for the expanders plus some moogerfoogers soon enough
happy new year to all
cheers!
If you have the Voyager and both expanders as your only cv gear, it does still open up new routing possibilities (i.e. routing lfo’s to volume or envelope gate), but these are very limited compared to if you had just the Voyager inputs and other non-voyager cv gear.
Thanks for the kind words, its my pleasure to help, if I can help.
It would make your world a LOT easier if you could afford a Performer or OS Voyager (inputs included.) If you already know a lot about synthesis then I might try to lean more towards how I could externalize those voltages within the voyager until I could afford the input expander.
Try Novamusik.com and email them for their prices. They have fabulous deals. I got my Voyager select and Vx351 brand new for 2999.
I think that it has been such in the past that people buy something that they really don’t know a lot about and then think that it sucks because they got the wrong stuff. Rick Wakeman told a story about how he got a Minimoog from a guy who thought it was broken because it played one note only. I don’t want this to happen to ANYONE with a Moog.
With those 2 expanders you definately can control other CV gear, and they will interface, but I don’t think those two particular expanders are going to make you think you spent your money wisely.
A cp251 would be a good place to start, with either VX unit and a Fooger.
With a cp251 and vx 351 and ring mod or phaser, you can have an audio processor AND an extra oscillator.
With a cp251 and a Vx352 and ringmod/phaser, you can use the LFO’s from the ringmod to a destination on the voyager, or use the ringmod in the audio chain and modulate it with the 251.
If you can squeeze in a cp, vx 352 and a Fooger, that would probably keep you really happy until you got a vx351. That would also give you some more flexibillity on which fooger you chose. The fooger selection is not so critical at that point. You would use the CP to modulate either the voyager or the fooger, so you wouldn’t feel so terrible that you can’t externalize the voyagers voltages because you would already have some.
My two pisos and a ruble.
Rick Wakeman told a story about how he got a Minimoog from a guy who thought it was broken because it played one note only. I don’t want this to happen to ANYONE with a Moog.
I do, because then I can take it from him!
The VX-352 gives your RME all of the CV and expression pedal inputs that the standard Voyager already has built into it. Therefore, an RME with the VX-352 becomes functionally the same as a standard Voyager, minus the keyboard and the Touch Screen controller. Adding the VX-351 to the mix then becomes the next decision.
I personally love having the VX-351 in my Voyager Performer set-up. I do loop CVs back to the Voyager, as the Mod. Buss selections don’t always have what I’m looking for. And though I may not always use it, it’s good to know that the VX-351 is there when I need it.
However, $650 for both the VX-351 and the VX-352 isn’t cheap! So, as Erik has recommended, you might want think about what you want to do with your synth first, and then decide what modules you’ll need to buy in order to make it happen.
Enjoy, and welcome to the forum!
Bob