Unofficial SubPhatty Max4Live Device Beta Testing

robml · July 13, 2013, 12:18am

hey guys

i created a M4L device to control the sub phatty.

i’m keen to hear your feedback on the device, so pls post up any suggestions

EDIT: check the later posts for latest version - removed old version

i’m using live 9.0.4 with Max 6.1 on OSX

KNOWN ISSUES

when in shift mode amplifier attack sends midi cc28 instead of cc104. this will hopefully be addressed in a future version of the subphatty firmware.
keyboard octave responds to midi cc89, but does not send out any midi cc data when changed via the buttons on the panel. this will hopefully be addressed in a future version of the subphatty firmware.
the M4L device is unable to receive preset information when you press a preset button or “activate panel”. the subphatty only sends presets as SYSEX data, not midi CC data at the moment. this will hopefully be addressed in a future version of the subphatty firmware.

bandmasta · July 15, 2013, 8:12pm

I LOVE IT. Thanks for your work.

Please keep doing it. It will be awesome if you add more under-the-hood functions.

And, it might be great if PUSH can handle parameters. I can do that now, but it is not orderly arranged.

Thanks man again.

Amos · July 15, 2013, 10:42pm

Just for you, Rob.

New firmware, v1.3.3:
http://www.moogconnect.net/downloads/subphatty/SubPhatty_v203_1_3_3.syx

To trigger sending all parameter values, send CC# 99 value 0, followed by CC#6 value 127.

robml · July 16, 2013, 9:18am

at the moment the various bits and pieces under the hood dont have proper variable names. i will sort it out before it comes out of beta.

cheers

robml · July 16, 2013, 9:20am

awesome! thanks amos

cheers

robml · July 16, 2013, 1:37pm

hey guys

here is beta 0.23
EDIT: removed old version, check latest posts for latest version

NEW FEATURES
“Get Current Parameters” button.

KNOWN PROBLEMS
Amos, would it be possible to add all the midi variables to be sent out? At the moment i am receiving 32 midi messages upon the trigger. It leaves off filter cutoff and a bunch of others. If we could get all of the documented midi cc values being sent out that would be fantastic! .

cheers

Amos · July 16, 2013, 2:33pm

yeah, oops. It was supposed to be all the parameters. I didn’t test very carefully; just saw that a bunch of data was coming out, declared victory and went home for the day.

try this version, seems to do the trick:
http://www.moogconnect.net/downloads/subphatty/SubPhatty_v204_1_3_4.syx

cheers!

bandmasta · July 16, 2013, 6:28pm

new firmware works good.(1.3.4)

If I ask you one more favor, it would be “get current parameters” for shift mode also.

It works well for the main panel, but I don’t think it makes any changes for the shift mode.

Thanks for the awesome M4L.

edit) ooops. It is working… SORRY. NEVER MIND. Your M4L is amazing.

EDIT) I have a question. Why do I have to click “BLOCK MIDI IN” first in order to listen to the sound of Phatty?
Without clicking and re-clicking it, I cannot play any sound.

robml · July 16, 2013, 10:03pm

that doesn’t happen to me. i have updated it to version 0.24 with a solution that may fix it for you. pls let me know if it works for you.
edit: check latest posts for latest version

cheers

robml · July 16, 2013, 10:42pm

haha. thats awesome amos, thanks so much for all your time and helping out to make this M4L device truly usable tool

it was great to see all the knobs change so you can easily see all your current preset parameters.

will spend some time playing with it making some music and hopefully finalise it soon.

cheers

bandmasta · July 16, 2013, 11:21pm

Everything is good now. Thanks.

I love your device.

robml · July 17, 2013, 12:10am

no problem.

glad you like it

cheers

bandmasta · July 17, 2013, 5:30am

HI.

I have a question because Ableton is new to me.

I mapped few knobs from your Max device to Macro.

When I click the “Get Current Parameters”, mapped knobs does not change. Is it normal?

Only un-mapped knobs responds to the “Get current parameters”.

Thanks.

tagirov · July 17, 2013, 7:57am

Amos, please implement this behaviour for Minitaur FW too.

robml · July 17, 2013, 8:14am

when you map an ableton live knob to a macro, the macro then overrides all other controls over that ableton live knob. so its not only the “get current parameters” button that wont work for macro mapped ableton live knobs, you also wont be able to control that ableton live knob with the physcial knobs on the sub phatty. its just the way ableton live works. the macro is either controlling the ableton live knob or its not, there is no middle ground.

cheers

barryfell · July 17, 2013, 8:24am

Can someone clarify what this M4L device can be used for that can’t be done with the Editor VST?

robml · July 17, 2013, 10:35am

nothing really

robml · July 17, 2013, 10:36am

amos can you pls check “amplifier envelope multitrigger” parameter. looks like something is wrong with turning it on/off via the cc.

note: i had some problems saving presets by pressing the two preset buttons, but looks like a hard reset has fixed it.

also, is there a midi cc for “fast decay”. i couldnt find it in the manual.

also, is cc123 functional atm? i cant get it to work. i keep getting note-on stuck when changing presets in m4l. would like to trigger a cc123 immediately after preset change to stop it happening.

cheers

bandmasta · July 17, 2013, 2:05pm

I know the decay speed is cc95 if it is what you are looking for.

It was in the one of update.txt.(not in the manual)

And, thanks for the kind explanation about Macro.

bandmasta · July 26, 2013, 3:50pm

Hello robml.

I love your device. I always use it.

Would you mind if I asked you one more feature?

It will be so awesome if you add the opposite button of “Get Current Parameters” also.

What I mean is that you push a button on the M4L then Sub Phatty gets the same CC datas on the M4L device panel. All of them.

Thanks. I really appreciate your hard work.

Edit) One more thing. Why can’t I map the Mod Wheel to Macro?