The New Emerson Moog Modular System Is Real

ouch! :laughing:

That’s very unfair. 1) He’s never rated that solo himself, and 2) he’s done a lot of other stuff with the modular.

Hmmm.

If I had the money (unfortunately I don’t), would I buy one? Well -

  1. Do I rate Keith Emerson? - Yes

  2. Do I rate the Moog modular? - well, it depends. For certain things, yes.

  3. If I was to buy one, would I buy a Keith Emerson clone? - no. I might buy one if it was the configuration I wanted, but not a copy of someone else’s modular. As a musician I’d want it to be my modular, not a copy of someone else’s.

I think it would be nice if someone was to give one of these to Rachel Flowers, though. I think she’s proved her right to it.

Much agreed, Sweep! :sunglasses: Except I think this rig might be overwhelming for Rachel. She should definitely be gifted a MiniMoog but if she wanted to get adventurous a smaller modular like a System 15 or 35 would probably be much better, at least to start out with! :wink:

The absolute worst way to start learning any modular is by starting with a large system…

Stephen




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John and Stephen - yes, I agree with both of you, a modular could present difficulties (though I wouldn’t risk underestimating Rachel, either). :slight_smile:

To explore some points about the production of this modular I think it may be helpful to consider Rachel’s possible use of an instrument -

I find I respect Rachel - not just for achieving something that would be beyond most people despite being blind. Plenty of blind people achieve significant things. But her obvious love for Keith Emerson’s music and her blend of skill and sheer enjoyment seem to me to be the main things that come across very positively from her.

Whether she’ll make her own original music to a similar standard, or whether she’s more of a performer than a composer remains to be seen. Time will tell. I’m sure there are people who’d happily work with her in a band performing situation, but she may have her own personal development to follow.

And that leads me to the point with this remake of Keith Emerson’s modular. There’s a market for copy instruments - the David Gilmour black strat and so on. With this modular you presumably get pretty much what Emerson has, which is of course ideal for playing ELP stuff. For someone like the guy from Noddy’s Puncture who sometimes posts here that looks to be ideal, and I’d like to hear his take on this. And for someone like Rachel it might be a potentially useful system, though as I said we don’t yet know where she’s going to go with her music.

But for most musicians, does it really make sense to have the exact configuration Keith Emerson has? Many of us may respect Keith Emerson greatly but still not want to make similar music, and the point of a modular is to select the modules you need to make your own music with. I wonder if it might make more sense for Moog to follow up this Keith Emerson model with a more flexible choice of modules - you could specify variant modules, or ask for certain modules to be left out so you can add whatever you need later as you explore the possibilities of the system. That, to me, recalls the original point of modular systems and opens out into the desirable situation where musicians who aren’t in tribute bands or aren’t exploring the work of someone else can develop their instrument in just the way they need to for their own music.

I certainly don’t have a down on musicians who would value a Keith Emerson clone instrument, as should be clear from what I’ve said. But I would like to see something more open-ended. Of course there are plenty of modular systems available for people who want to explore them, but when Moog have gone to this much trouble already it seems sensible to open things up a bit more. And it isn’t everyone who needs a rocket launcher.

It didn’t hurt Keith Emerson

Keith started out relatively small, it was a borrowed system 35 (I think) and the owner tutored him and even went on stage to help him patch. :sunglasses:

Why is that ā€œvery unfair?ā€ He is a good player but I just don’t like his music. Please show me some great examples of stuff he’s done with it. I feel the same about Wakeman.

I’m more inclined towards Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Bernie Worrell, Tangerine Dream, JMJ and that type of stuff if I’m really interested in hearing synths.

I just never was too thrilled with the type of arrangements and style of ELP and Wakeman. There is a post on muffs about how he never seemed to change the patch much. :smiley:

hey I didn’t write that ! :question:

It started out as a single cabinet Ic modular but that is still bigger than the Moog 10/12/15 modular.

And large modulars didn’t hurt Tangerine Dream or Klause Shulze either.

People, people, please ! Could you make better use of quotations ? It’s getting tedious and confusing to re-read multiple imbedded quotations, some badly truncated, all the time … :confused: :angry:
Thanks.

No problems with not liking his work. :slight_smile: I meant it was unfair to him to assess him by the Lucky Man solo which he didn’t rate and which he only plays because people specifically ask him for it. If other people weren’t asking him, he wouldn’t play that solo at all. He’s said that many times.

I think if you don’t like what you’ve heard and you don’t like Rick Wakeman either, you probably wouldn’t be pleasantly surprised by anything I could suggest. That’s perfectly reasonable, of course, and as you’ve said there are plenty of other interesting keyboard players.

ā€œCould you better use quotations ?ā€ -thealien666

Corrected.

Hey, here’s the guy from Noddy’s Puncture… the name’s Tom, BTW. My take on this is that I already have my own Modular (sourced and imported to the UK with help from the Emerson camp…) and which I have extensively modified to also include one of my Minimoog’s. I didn’t actually want to make a three or four tier Emo-clone system. For one thing it would take too much to move around as I always intended to use it live. My band is an expensive hobby… so although I am willing to ā€˜move gear’ there is a limit. Hammonds, Leslies and a Modular, well you know what I mean..! Also I wanted a system base more on Keith’s early set-up. With the 901 oscillators, I wanted the early sound. So knowing that it might end up shooting me in the foot ā€˜live’ I built in the Mini as insurance. Emo never had that modification but it don’t bother me as I am making it ā€˜my own’. And with some greatly appreciated help from CZ I have also managed to make a sure-fire modification which enables me to compensate for the scale drift of the 901a in about 10 seconds, live, on-stage with audience waiting..! The system has only been out once to date but I can report that it works a treat. I have copied elements such as Emo’s TV screen & LED waveform gimmick and also made a pyro launcher for the ribbon controller… I love ELP’s music and ALL Emo’s Moog meanderings. My ELP tribute band tries to recreate all of that as well as the Hammond antics & dagger throwing…! The funny thing is, if Moog do make a handful of these and they go to rich buyers/collectors - I doubt if any of them will actually end up being used to it’s full potential playing ELP music in a live setting. I’m probably the only one mad enough and fanatical enough to put myself through every thoroughly enjoyable second of it…!

By the way here’s another video clip from my gig a couple of weeks ago…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCR7PtzCBfw

Cheers,
Tom


totally agree :wink:

Thanks for that, Tom. I thought your contribution would be instructive, and it is. Your last point certainly is. It might be interesting to know, one day, how many of these got built and what happened to them.

That quick tuning adjustment certainly sounds interesting - and a very useful thing to have.

Incidentally there used to be another ELP tribute band, called Aquatarkus, who I think were Italian. I don’t know if anyone here knows anything about them? Their keyboard player used a Korg MS10/20 setup, perhaps rather improbably - and got great results that way. I sometimes used to do Emerson stuff when I had an MS20, but it isn’t what I’d choose if I was going onstage to do it for real, so I think he did an amazing job. And Keith Emerson mentioned back in the 80s that he’d seen ELP clone bands in Japan using Poly 800s and doing amazing feats of joystick waggling to get exactly the glitches he got the night they recorded Pictures at an Exhibition.

Another Emerson tribute band (The Nice)

http://youtu.be/8pV8nuPCOmQ

Hi All,

I didn’t want to mislead you with my post referring to Keith.
Of course, I didn’t think about ā€œLucky Manā€ but even more of a wonderful and extraordinary prformance of a song I can’t remember now any more, but with ELP.
But what I’ve meant was the overimpressing work he did when playing, plugging, unplugging and turnig the knobs either at the same time or sequently very sensible, LIVE and VERY performative.
My question was sooner, who’s going to do like that nowadays and who of the common people with their present musical tastes will be interrested in to listen to ?

Please think all of you too, here in the expert circles it is talked about that a big mod system can only be produced in China to make it profitable for Moog.
It’s very likely, components will be shipped ready for the last assemble from China to the US.
See Kurzweil, what is written upon: Developed in the US and assembled in Thailand (or Korea ?)
I’ve also heared about the new 2600 housing because of lacking quality there’s a severe delay of delivery.
If you imagine that a Chinese worker is getting 1$ a day for work this makes sense.
Otherwise it’s not believable to realize.

Yes, of course, there are a lot of enthusiasts and great experts who are very skillful to use a thing like that and making great music. But at the end the majority will be some sons of some oligarchs or very rich Saudi Arabians who can afford the huge amount of money for.

Who of a sensible and advanced musician would give 90ks for a product ā€œMade in Chinaā€ ?
It’s very likely MOOG will assure firmly that this is not the case, but I won’t believe them…