Our voyager is the best purchase we have ever made. We multitrack, so we are thinking we may not need our other mono synths. It kills our pro one, our mono/poly and our sh 09 in every way we can find. So if we sell them, we can buy more foogers, the vx352 and the cp251. With out a doubt, this is the most fantastic monosynth we have ever owned.
So… what does eveyone here think, do we need our monosynths?
Or… do we need more MOOG?
i sold my ms-20 and sh-09 recently to pay for all my foogers (101/102 x2/103/104z/105/cp-251 x2) and the Little Phatty (presuming it ever ships to me). I also have a DSI Evolver hanging around still, because despite the sheer awesome of the moog sound, I don’t want to use it for everything. your pro one i think is a good example, as the evolver uses the same chip type methinks; the filter and synth sounds associated with it are very unique and different than the voyager.
the sh09 on the other hand, has a pretty vanilla filter on it. not especially acid-y, but great for deep basses. moog’s ladder filter eats this for breakfast.
i haven’t had enough time to play with a mono/poly to have an opinion on it’s filter, but i think those are more fun for unison mode, no?
bottom line though, i think in the long run, you’ll be happier for having gear with a warranty and fresh capacitors in it. there’s that whole semi-modular capability thing too. can’t say that about most monosynths from the early 80s either.
i am very jealous of the fooger setup you have
you hade sound examples of creation that were completely fooger, and i would love to hear more again, especially now that you have the 104z and TWO cp251s!!
all we have is the murf and the 103 (best phaser ever) and as of monday, the 2499th voyager performer
you make good points about the selling of gear, and the purchase of gear that is way better built (just look inside the pro one and you will inderstand, not to mention that you can push in on the plastic case and it bends inward)
the sh 09 make wonderfull 909 type kicks though, and that alone is fantastic (i still haven’t tried to make anything like them with the voyager)
but i know that the voyager can make great kicks from listening to the past 2 joy electric records
and the mono/poly makes creamy 4 osc leads, that only sound like a ssm chip, but does not filter track to keyboard when run thru cv
the pro one, and the mks 50 are 2 that i can live without though
the pro one makes good sounds, like the sync sweep in ghost regen
revstate mix, but i never seem to use it
this may be because of the membrane keyboard that misstriggers or doesn’t triiger at all, and i like to make my patches with the keyboard that comes with the unit i am working on
and the mks 50 is not weird enough, or harsh enough for the way i like to write, and my mks 70 does way better pretty sounds than every poly i have ever owned (granted i have never owned an expander or a jupiter)
also, i don’t like digital sound generators and most digital fx so every other digital poly i have ever owned never clicked with me (personal prefernce, please don’t flame me )
now on the other hand, with the sound from my 2 foogers and my voyager, i was blown away every time i touched them, the build, the sound, and the design
i am still REALLY up in the air about this decision and need some input from moog owners and vintage owners alike
since you write dark experimental industrial, you input would be the best
thanks, and i hope to hear some more sounds from you soon
see you on endorphin analog (we made a myspace one as well, even though livejournal is better)
also, CTRLSHFT, could you tell me about your ringmod fooger, since i have NO experience with ringmod at all (other than ringmod circuits were what most of forbidden planets score was made with), i would love your input
If you’d like to get an idea of what the Ring Modulator can do (especially with the Voyager), you should check out the “Lord of the Ring Mod” article on SquareWave:
Sell em all and get the foogers. Your other mono synths are just going to get neglected anyway.
I’m in the same position as you. I multitrack and the Voyager has the sound that i love so I really have no desire for any other monosynths. I can certainly appreciate other monosynths and I like to talk about them, but I have no desire to own them. I’m a bit finicky, I don’t like clutter and I don’t like redundancy. You could do a lot more with some moogerfoogers and a Voyager.
first, a quick summary of ring modulation: it’s basically a special type of amplitude modulation, which takes two inputs and gives one output: the sum of the input and carrier waves, as well as the difference of the two.
100hz input + 500hz carrier = 600hz and 400 hz combined into one harmonically complex waveform. this is why ringmod’s bend pitch around so much, and can create such harsh tones.
here’s a quick and dirty example of some VERY modulated ringmod sounds. the input was actually from the self oscillation of a 101:
i think the ring mod is one of the most powerful and sonically versitile foogers, as it has not only the ability to use it’s carrier osc (which can oscillate up to 4khz!) to effect the input signal, but it also has a carrier IN on it, allowing you to smash two sounds together in a way that is very unique, as well as coax some great analog percussion sounds like hihats and crazy Pearl Syncussion-type stuff. in addition to that, it’s got cv outputs for both the lfo (square wave or sine) and the carrier osc (sine). these are awesome additions to a set up such as yours, and really puts one in a position of modular power. I bought two specifically for this versitility, and with the addition of a cp-251 unit, you add another dimension: the ability to shape your modular sources in any (just about, anyway) wave shape of your liking, through the lag processor.
i totally agree on the sh09’s ability to make some massive kick drums. that’s why i sampled the crap out of it before it sold
we’re in the same boat as far as digital sources go, va’s are boring and all midrange; althoug, i think the evolver with it’s two VCOs and two digital wavetable oscs is brilliant, and does some frighteningly cool things with a little patience.
as far as selling your gear goes though, if you really think you’ll miss your gear, multisample them. alot. that way you’ll never miss what you had, and if you have a good sampler, you can still use alot of what the synth had to offer. i have about 10gb of MS-20 and SH-09 laying around, don’t really miss em at all
that said, go for it! the new moog stuff sounds incredible, diverse, and warm as hell. if you find way, get the little phatty too.. it has a personality of it’s own that definitely shares a place along side it’s bigger brother.