SUB 37 PRESET to MIDI Program Change conversion

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Attached are 2 simple SUB 37 PRESET to MIDI Program Change tables to help when entering values into your DAW.
Program Change in some DAWs can be +1 more than the true MIDI value (Thanks DemonDan )

So here’s TRUE MIDI table and DAW MIDI table (my DAW is Cubase)
So, for example

  • SUB 37 BANK 13, PRESET 1 is TRUE MIDI CC32=1, Program Change=64
  • SUB 37 BANK 13, PRESET 1 is DAW MIDI CC32=1, Program Change=65
    SUB 37 PRESET to MIDI PROGRAM CHANGE conversion.jpg
    SUB 37 PRESET to MIDI Program Change DAW conversion.jpg
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Hi tomoog,

Thanks for the useful chart!

I’m wondering though, if there might be an “off by one” discrepancy.

I don’t have my Sub 37 nearby, so I can’t check to be sure… but it’s hard to imagine that the very first BANK isn’t a CC#32 Value of 0, and that the very first PRESET isn’t a Program Change Value of 0.

It’s likely that your DAW re-numbers your Bank/Program Change values to start from 1 instead of 0.

I know that MOTU’s Digital Performer does this, for example.

It’s one of those few things about MIDI that has always been a pain. Some manufacturers start their Programs from 1, while others start their Programs from 0. There’s a similar pain involving what to call Middle C: some call it C4; others call it C3.

But, the ACTUAL Bank and Program MIDI Messages themselves ALWAYS go from 0 -127 (there is no 128).

So, if it’s an easy thing to do, it’d be useful for at least half of your viewers if there was a second chart with each of the CC#32 and PROGRAM values reduced by one. That column could be renamed TRUE MIDI instead of DAW MIDI.

“No good deed goes unpunished.”

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Thanks DemonDan
It’s fixed now (error between the chair and the keyboard).

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Hi tomoog,

Even if it was made in error, your original version will still be the “right one” for some DAW users.

I think you should keep both of them on this post.

And, thanks again! They really will be useful.