Hi,
Does anybody know if Moog is planning to provide a CV OUT kit for the Sub 37, like the LP ?
Would love to sent CV to my Minitaur and get the sound back to the Sub 37 audio input 
Thanks
Hi gian77,
The Sub 37’s design is such that it can not have CV Outs either via software or hardware updates.
Hi DemonDan, and thanks for the information.
Really, not even a pitch and gate ?
I don’t really understand the technical reason why CV OUT signals cannot be picked on a “analog” synth … too many digital controls ?
Anyway, if you said it I trust you !
So sad 
Another reason why the Little Phatty is FAR FROM DEAD 
I concur!!
As a Solar Phatty owner, I also agree!
I was eyeing up a Sub 37 (mainly for the sequencer) & was disappointed to read this
then I saw this
http://synthesizers.com/q174.html
Provided the sequencer sends midi notes out…
Everyone I know says the same thing - why the hell did Moog release these without a CV out?
Only thing that makes sense is they want to force you towards a Voyager for the extra revenue.
Whats more it’s practically pissing on Bob’s grave and legacy.
I’ll keep my LPS2 thank you
Presets vs Patches - You just cannot quickly save/change/load a patch set-up that requires cables. OTOH I have a saved bank of presets that carries me through the set without hassle. I really think the Sub37 is a more effective gig machine than a studio machine. JMO
Minimoog Model D didn’t have CV outs and Bob seemed quite pleased with that one.
Q Whats the difference between a Lentil and a Chickpea?
A I have never payed good money to have a Lentil on my chest!
But for his modular, KE requested presets. I had to retire the Model D because it just was not practical on tour. YMMV, but the Sub37 feels like it was built just for me.
Is that really the only thing that makes sense to you, bookem?
You honestly can’t even begin to imagine any other possible reasons at all?
That’s rather odd.
As I understand, there is still an analog board that is piloted through some CV stuff produced from Digital to Analog. These CVs couldn’t be extracted? it seems the kit for the LP needed quite tricky soldering on the analog board to pick up de different CVs. I don’t see why this is no more the case, unless the different analog components, osc, filter, gates are no more piloted by CVs.
Impossible is not true, but maybe not realistically feasible (get what controls the analog board, translate it and produce corresponding CVs is maybe too expensive to develop).
Now, it exists small boxes that produce CVs from MIDI, no?
Best Regards,
Greg
Couldn’t agree more. Sold my Model D years ago and couldn’t be happier with the Sub 37.
Hi gian77,
You probably know this, but I have to ask, just in case…
Have you tried MIDI OUT of the Sub 37 to MIDI IN of the Minitaur, and then Audio OUT of the Minitaur into the AUDIO IN of the Sub 37?
You may want to filter out the Sub 37’s PANEL MIDI CCs so that the Sub 37’s knobs don’t affect Minituar parameters.
{MIDI MENU - MIDI OUTPUT page - PANEL = OFF}
I had the CV out modification carried out to my Little Phatty but also bought a not-cheap-but-good Kenton Pro Solo Mk II Midi to CV converter which comes in handy
R.
Hi DemonDan,
Thanks for your advice DemonDan, when Sub37 MIDI OUT is directly plugged to MT MIDI IN, panel MIDI CC should be desactivated, it’s less confusion that way !
Actualy, i tried this with the DAW :
First, with MT’s Audio OUT not directly through the Sub3’s Audio IN but using 2 chanels on the mixer.
I find sonically interesting to have kind of a “dual synth” with close behaviour on common parameters (especialy filter and enveloppe sections) :
- Filter Cutoff = 19 on both
- Resonnace = 21 on both
- But Sub37’s VCF Decay (24) can affect both Decay and/or Release on the MT (depend on linked or not).
- So Sub37,s VCF Release (26) has no effect on the MT.
- Same thing for the VCA Enveloppe.
This could be interesting to develop via MIDI mapping (hardware or sofware) …
Then, by using the Sub37’s Audio IN :
This way it’s sound more like a 4 oscillators synth, they sound more “together”
Only constraint : take care of the MT notes scale (MIDI notes 0-72).
I also think that it’s better to have MT’s Filter wide open to let the Sub37 have full control of this parameter, but any advice for the VCA enveloppe ?
One of the most fun things about synthesis is that there are few rules (other than the ones that keep your toys from breaking).
So… try anything and everything.
Having said that, if the goal is the sound of lots of oscillators that seem to all come from one synth, then I’d make all external oscillators as unhindered as possible. Wide open, no Filtering, no Amp envelopes… basically always on. By letting the Sub 37’s Filter, Amp, Mixer overdrive (past 12:00), MultiDrive, and Envelopes do all the work, you will homogenize all the sound sources.
Is that really the only thing that makes sense to you, bookem?
Other than bad design, no I can’t think of any.