just read the namm blog, the phatty os will soon have sample and hold and noise modulation, and a second mod routing!! wow!
from the moogspace site:
As you probably already know, the Stage Edition has the same great sound and appearance as the Tribute Edition, but at a lower price. The LEDs have an amber/red color scheme and the end plates are molded instead of wood. So, besides the price, what’s new? The operating system! The Stage Edition’s OS contains a host of new features that you requested (and a few we came up with), including built-in Sample & Hold and Noise modulation, a second modulation routing, and individual pitch up and down parameters. But here’s the best part: presets now have their own ‘Advanced’ settings, so your can individually specify the number of filter poles, envelope release, filter sensitivity, etc., for each preset. And did I mention that we’ve added Pot Mapping, too? Now you can now program the four front-panel control knobs to any of the 128 MIDI Continuous Control parameters for internal or external control. Pretty cool, huh?
But wait, there’s more! The new OS will soon be available for the Tribute Edition (free, of course), so TE owners can also take advantage of the new feature set!
sample and hold measures the signal strength of an input source (usually noise, hence all the randomness) and releases it based on a clock (lfo speed).
noise modulation would use a random noise source for modulation, much the way the s&h works, except there is no clock regulating it.
the second modulation routing would allow you for instance to modulate pitch AND filter at the same time. as to what waveshapes are available, or if you have to use the same lfo shape/speed as whats assigned on the first mod routing, is up in the air at this time. …just a guess, haven’t tried it/read anything.
as for documentation, I bet the manual/pdf will be available concurrent with the release of the stage editions. GregAE?
wonder how the lp creates noise. has it always had a noise circuit but now the software has just enabled that or is there some other way that they are creating the noise in there using the exsiting mod features.
We’ll see about the forum clean-up… I hope so… it’s getting really old with the spam/virus posts.
As for the software-generated noise and sample & hold… nope it does not compromise the signal path; these modulation sources are generated by software but are converted into analog voltages before they are used to modulate the all-analog signal path. It’s a pretty decent compromise that has been used in a lot of other analog synths as well (if I’m not mistaken, I think the Source uses a digital noise source on a chip). The results sound great! I have been programming new Stage Edition patches all weekend…
Yeah seeing one in person at NAMM blew my mind. I have the Tribute and I almost like the look of the Stage a little more. They have more of a Micro/Multi look. Auto-tume means never having to take it into a shop or back to Moog every few years.
I think the Source uses a digital noise source on a chip
It’s the notorious National Semiconductor MM5837. It has a “heartbeating” along with the noise. The Micro/Multi, Rouge and Memorymoog used it as well. The Rhodes Chroma used two of them to reduce the “heartbeating”.
I’d like to see a tabletop/rack Little Phatty. Maybe next NAMM?
I just want to make sure I understand, does this mean that I will be able to assign for example the rez and cutoff on any of the 4 different knobs and use them both at same time?
If we remap a function to another knob, obviously we’d lose that knobs originality. So what knobs are you typically willing to lose? Also, what functions are most common or practical to map?
if one already has a patch made up, i’d think you’re not really losing that much..
as far as the most common tweaks are concerned, i’d put my money on stuff like cutoff/rez/osc 2 freq/filter attack/filter decay. of course this different for each person, but you can see this would open up huge doors for real time tweaking while recording/playing live/running sequences.
This is fantastic, I can’t wait to download the new upgrade. Loosing the originality of the knobs does not bother me one bit. Like CTRLSHIFT said, this will open huge doors in real time tweaking while in a live setting and recording. Now, if I had 6 hands than maybe I should be concerned. What? LOL. If I had 6 hands, I better have 6 dicks also. LOL I don’t know doooood, I think Im losing my mind.
Pot Mapping: Yes you can assign Resonance and Cutoff (or any other parameter) to any knob, but I recommend using Pot Mapping for Resonance and leaving Cutoff to the Filter section so that you can take advantage of RAC mode for your cutoff tweaks. Due to its arbitrary nature, Pot Mapped controls can only use the scanned values from the pots and not the physical voltage running thru them. This is not shabby; I think you’re still getting 14-bit resolution via pot mapping. But for filter sweeps it should be 100% analog… resonance it’s not so crucial.
ALSO! you do not lose any functionality; you can assign a Pot Mapping destination for each of the four analog pots and switch back and forth between the Mapped function and any of the pot’s normal destinations with a single button-press.
Not only are custom Pot Mappings saved per-patch, as with any other knob setting the patch saves what is currently active… so if you want to set up a patch that is ready-to-go with Cutoff selected in the Filter section and for example Resonance mapped to the EGR pot and active, you can do that… w00t it’s acid sequence time! (actually I usually map Resonance to the Osc. or Modulation knob since I’m right-handed)
ALSO ALSO, you can use Pot Mapping to assign any of the four main pots to send any MIDI CC, so you can create presets for controlling your favorite softsynths or plugins from the LP… purty cool.
