hey hey
i just bought the moogerfooger ring mod and was wondering if the line 6 expression pedal was compatiblw with it. ive got a line 6 delay and it would be great if i could buy one expression pedal to work with both pedals.
thoughts?
al
no one knows if this will work/sound ok?
Three years ago I tried a Line6 expression pedal with my MF-101, and it didn’t work. Take your Moogerfooger into Guitar Center or something and try it out. But if you’re going to be using both at the same time then you’ll need two pedals anyway…
unless you got a cp 251 and put the pedal in the 4 way multi
Well, yes if you want to alter the effect of two devices in the same direction (pedal up/pedal down) at the same time. But it’s probably unlikely you’ll want to do this. Since two pedals offer so much more flexibility than just the one, it would be worth having a dedicted pedal attached to each device. Besides, an expression pedal (like the one offered by Moog) isn’t that much $.
you could invert one of them and offset it a bit so it doesn’t have the same response but it would still happen a the same time, hmm unless you can use the lag to make one change happen after the other.
Was at a CG today and asked about the Line 6 expression pedal. The sales guy didn’t have one in stock, but from his description of it, it sounds like the same thing as the Moog expression pedal:
Passive device
Plastic construction
‘Pig tail’ TRS connection
About $50
The real difference could be the value of the pot used inside the pedal, but based on the description I’d say it’s worth trying the Line 6 pedal on the Moogerfooger just to see what happens. (Alternately, you could try the Moog expression pedal on the Line 6 device if that’s an option at your local Music store.)
Might work just fine.
MF
thanks for the info…i guess ill just take my pedal to the msuci store and try whatever they’ve got.
cheers
al
Let us know what you find out here. I’m curious myself.
Greg
Hi - First post here!
I’ve tried a Line 6 expression pedal with my MF-102 and it didn’t work. Regular volume pedals won’t work either.
Because there’s no industry standard for expression pedals, most brands (Boss, Behringer, etc.) will not work with a Moogerfooger. The store where I bought my ring mod sold me a no-name Italian made expression pedal which works fine.
This pedal has a hard wired cord with a stereo plug at the end, so any regular mono cable won’t work either.
I’d like to get some Moog expression pedals (for the other three inputs) but I’m having a hard time locating a distributor up here in Canada.
Can I order stuff from this website?
Thanks,
David Rolling (drolling)
I use a Roland EV-5 expression pedal myself, though some people don’t like them…
Hi Dave! Welcome to the Forum!
If you have a multimeter, it would be instructive to find out how the Line 6 pedal is wired compared to the Moog pedal. I can’t help but think the difference between the two is simply in the wiring. Can you make a few measurements and post the results?
- Greg
I vaguely remember trying a Roland expression pedal (perhaps an old one) in the past. It didn’t work except in a very small range. So I tested it with a multimeter and found that instead of a large range of resistance values, all I got was a small range i.e. something like 1kOhm.
What I concluded is that e.g. Moog pedals work on the voltage divider concept, where the supplied pedal voltage is progressively increased as the resistance decreases and e.g. Roland ones (or at least the one I had) use either a much smaller scale of values or something totaly different i.e. a digital system.
Not too sure though - I may not have tested it properly. But it would explain the sudden point in the pedal where the “knob” turns all the way up very quickly
This is what commonly happens when a pedal’s not properly designed/callibrated to specific requirements of the device in question.
For example, I’ve got an M-Audio BlackBox that really needs an exp. pedal to perform many hands-off functions. I was unable to track down theirs, and ultimately went with an Alesis CF1- which has afforded me access to simple functions like stopping/starting drum loops & changing tempo on-the-fly. The rocker pedal on this unit wlll allow a form of crude control over the filtered effects. But, as you say- it’s more like an ‘off-on’ and is pretty dodgy in situations where you need a smoth, gradual tranistion- as in zero-flaging, talk-box and conventional wah pedal applications.
Yo Greg! Somehow I missed your message last time I was here.
Sorry I don’t have any way of measuring impedance.. Just a guitar player!
But I did take apart the Line6 pedal and the pot’s nothing like anything I’ve seen before - a tiny little cube, much smaller than the el-cheapo cylindrical pots on my asian made strat - but as I said earlier, the Italian pedal that came w/my Moogerfooger has a stereo cable hard-wired to it. The Line6 pedal takes a common mono instrument cord, so there’s got to be some profound fundamental difference between the two..
BTW, I can’t take apart the Italian pedal to see what’s inside. The plastic seams appear to be fused together - Why do they build stuff this way ??
Again, I’ll ask - how can I get a Moog expression pedal? I’ve hit a dead-end w/the Canadian distributor!!
Wait, isn’t the pedal that’s made in Italy the current Moog expression pedal? The big old ones would have to be bought used…
First, just let me say how much I’ve enjoyed your paintings - the dyptichs & triptychs espescially!!
When I bought my MF102 a number of years ago, the shop refused to stock the pedals, as they were quite expensive - and had found these Italian pedals that worked just as well for less money. That was back in the Big Briar days.
The Italian pedal has always worked fine w/my Moogerfooger, but I’ve actually got another reason for wanting the “Moog” brand pedal;
I’ve been using a wonderful new analog delay - the Diamond Memory Lane, and it has an exp. pedal input to control regeneration- theoretically, one should be able to send the pedal into self-oscillation w/the right pedal, but the Italian job seems to fall short.
Michael Knappe the Canadian engineer who designed the Memory Lane has recommended the Moog as the ONLY expression pedal that’s properly calibrated to work w/his delay.
For years I’ve used an ElectroHarmonix Deluxw Memory Man, mounted at waist level, on a mic stand - so I can manipulate the echoes into runaway feedback (self-oscillation) w/my hands, while playing the guitar simultaneously.
The new Diamond delay, with the appropriate pedal, was to make my primative rig a thing of the past - finally freeing up both hands for the guitar…
But it hasn’t worked out that way..
..And that’s really the main reason I’m on this quest.
If the current Moog expression pedals are no different than the one I’ve already got… I guess it’s back to the drawing board for me…
…thanks for your help, guys..
my understanding may be wrong, but since the moog pedals are passive won’t they only return at most the maximum voltage provided by the pedal (the mf’s provide 5 volts?)
so if you wanted to use a voltage to push the memory lane past a certain point you would need something to provide a voltage over and above that (or below it)? the squarewave write up of the 102 talked about this some to push the “rate” above and below what you could do by just turning the knob
i might be completely wrong about everything i just said though…
I think you have me confused with that other guy - he spells his name with only one “o”…
Is the Memory Lane guy talking about the recent Moog expression pedals or vintage ones? I’ve seen old ones that are huge - they look almost like boots that Kiss would wear, and are built like tanks…
Yeah, I think so. He says they’re from the Big Briar days, so I think he’s using the old ones for testing. Probably not going to be too easy to find…