I’ve heard that the 2022 Minimoog has a problem with aftertouch being it asks more like a gate than a curve. Has anyone experienced this. It’s more of a on and off switch.
Yes. Well, not 100% on/off, but not very smooth at all, even when attenuating the output via the small knob.
The voyagers aftertouch didn’t work very well either. I have a sequential pro3 and it’s aftertouch works better. Maybe there’s a setting that needs to be adjusted so the Minimoog 2022 RI responds correctly. I never use aftertouch touch much because it does seem difficult to get it to work right.
Maybe it’s me, maybe I don’t know how to adjust it correctly.
It is not a problem of the aftertouch amount only. The needed analog conversation of the logarithmic aftertouch values given by the Fatar keybed need to converted into a linear slope. And this is not that easy. See the three different boards of the Voyagers to get it right. And the best one was not sold by Moog, but by Rudi Linhard.
And the aftertouch is also digitalised to be send out via the MIDI Out socket.
Sounds complicated.
This is the one bummer about an otherwise glorious instrument. I do like to use aftertouch. In the studio I can control it from another board with CV out, but it would be great to use it smoothly directly from the Mini, either routed to one of its own inputs, or say, into a MoogerFooger CV input. It is not very useful as is. I’m hoping for an aftermarket fix to arise. Aftertouch works as expected both on the One and the Subsequent 37 CV, so it is not an “all Moog” issue.
Yes, it is pretty broken. I’m surprised this didn’t get improved for the 2022 update. I put my aftertouch voltage on an oscilloscope and it really is essentially binary! It will out zero volts or maximum (depending on attenuator). One can see that it smoothly slews between these extremes, but I cannot adjust my finger pressure to hover at any voltage between the limits.
I am afraid, only a hardware fix will help. Like on the older Voyagers.
No doubt. Has anyone reverse engineered the schematic?
There was a similar problem with the voyager in the beginning, but eventually became better. I remember the aftertouch on my voyager OS to be just fine. Maybe it was an easier fix on the more modern circuitry in the voyager? What about the Muse add-on for the model d reissue 2016 - didn’t that fix the aftertouch (and LFO modulation with aftertouch as well)?
Strange that moog didn’t fix it on this 2022 reissue…, personally I don’t use it that much but in some occasions it would have been useful to control the LFO/osc 3 modulation with aftertouch on the model d. But that’s not possible.
Anyway- the best thing about the reissue is the dedicated LFO; it’s a simple LFO but it increases the modulation capabilities. I really like the layout with the frequency pot on the LHC as it’s possible to turn the mod wheel and frequency pot simultaneously with one hand.
By the way, I just put the aftertouch of my Matriarch on the oscilloscope, and it shows very smooth and controllable output. (Maybe the curve could be a bit better, but it is very usable.)
So it is even more curious how Moog can’t seem to get this right on the Model D. Especially as they paid a lot of attention to so many other details.
Sometimes I wonder if the culprit may be the fatar synth action I’ve read the prophet5rev4 had problems with its aftertouch and velocity sensitivity when it was released and wasn’t addressed until later. I’ve also read the OBX8 aftertouch and velocity sensitivity is wonky as well.
It is not the Fatar. The Ribbon used for aftertouch is the same on all these recent Fatar keybeds (except for the few poly aftertouch ones). The Problem is designing the right interface to get a linear output from the exponential ribbon output. This is not so easy to do right.
And even if synths are created by the same company, there might be different developers in charge for the needed analog circuit handling this.
And the earlier circuit, the later improved and the third party version of this analog thing on the Voyager have a very different feeling, although these three were here used on the same Voyager. So it is not the keybed by Fatar.
I have the Moog Voyager . I purchased it used in 2015 when I found out they were going to be discontinued.
I have never had the aftertouch work. I don’t know if it’s me or the voyager. I know that there are knobs that have the option for pressure in the Mod Buss Area under Shaping . I m not sure if I just don’t know what I’m doing and not selecting and routing things correctly. I have the Sequential Pro3 and Oberhiem OBX8 and don’t have any problems with aftertouch on either. I know that on the OBX8 there are aftertouch and velocity curves. I have my aftertouch and velocity curves set to the highest value resulting in the most sensitively. There’s also an option where you can turn off the aftertouch. I don’t know if something on the voyager got turned off in regards to aftertouch or not. I also noticed that aftertouch on the Oberhiem OBX8 responds better if I press on the end of the key instead of the middle. The Sequential Pro3s aftertouch works flawlessly. So after comparing and contrasting all three synths I’m wondering if the voyager is
simply not working or if possibly a setting needs to be changed like in regards to the aftertouch curve amount which I
Don’t know exactly where that setting might be located or if the voyager even gives you the option for selecting aftertouch curve amounts. I know that the voyager is known for having problems with wonky aftertouch response.
Wasn’t sure if it was software related or hardware related or both or if it’s simply me not understanding how to operate
The voyager. I have OS 3.5. I would like to get the aftertouch to work. Was wondering what other voyager owners think
and if there’s something I’m over looking or if it’s simply the voyager not working correctly. Thanks
There are no aftertouch curves on the Voyager.
Simple sound to test aftertouch:
- init a sound
- left Modulation Bus:
** Source: triangle wave
** Destination: Pitch
** Shaping: Pressure (=aftertouch)
** Amount: start with max - Play a not and add pressure to get a aftertouch controlled vibrato
Please move all the here named knobs even if they appear to be set on the named value, as their current status may not be the one in memory.
If this does not work, your aftertouch ribbon of the keybed is most likely disconnected.
When you say inti a sound do you mean start start with a patch that you have to create from the vey beginning or do you mean I could select a patch like B124 for instance which already exists as a factory patch called Emerson saw .
I did as you instructed and made sure the selector potentiometers were moved prior to selecting the correct setting. I didn’t get the aftertouch to work but I’ll try it again in case I made an error in selection or possibly not moving every potentiometer prior to selection. thanks
Do some voyager patches have the after touch programmed into the patch and maybe other patches don’t have after pressure programmed? On the sequential Pro3 I don’t have to select any routing the aftertouch works. Granted two different manufacturers and two different synths. If it is the ribbon being disconnected then no after pressure at all.
It would be easier to assess if the ribbon cable was intermittent and the aftertouch was cutting in and out. Thanks
I wonder if the sensors under the keybed are bad . I wasn’t sure if people that have voyagers have experienced this.
I mean using the function to set all parameters of one sound onto specific values. This init will create the very same sound and settings on all Voyagers (except the Old School of cause). As this sound is the very same, no matter what you do, it is ideal to check things.
There a snipped from the manual:
To create your own sound from scratch, it’s good to start from the Voyager’s default parameters. This can be done by the ‘Initializing Parameters’ command. Press the EDIT button, and press the +1 button until INIT PARAMETERS is highlighted, then press ENTER. Use the CURSOR button to select ‘Yes’ and press ENTER. This loads the default parameters temporarily into the current preset location. The default sound is a basic one-oscillator square wave sound–think of it as a blank canvas for your sonic creations.
Ok thanks I haven’t tried it yet but I will. I read one of your old posts about aftertouch. In comparison on the sequential pro3 I don’t have to do anything. I just select a patch and the aftertouch just works when I depress the key. I would assume on the voyager every patch doesn’t implement aftertouch? It’s to bad that aftertouch is problematic and even more problematic when I don’t know what I’m doing. Also buying it used makes me wonder if there might have been problems with the aftertouch. It’s either me or the voyager I’m just not confident in my user knowledge to know if I’m just not selecting things correctly