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hmm
interesting thought about the anti-sequencer side
they are more likely to come out with products which have good sound quality, which implies sounds.
analog seq would be cool but you can already get replicas of old moog ones
if it is a drum machine it would have to be less than the 400-500 range, or i couldn’t justify spending the money on it.
if they come out with a cool back to basics (not simple but user friendly with dedicated controls rather than function buttons) analog drum-machine that sounds cool for around 300 I certainly won’t be complaining!
i’m hoping for a monosynth with cool features/sound/build/look for under 1500
Forget about it then. Not going to happen, that’s cheaper than some foogers! Surely it would be in the range of $1500-1700 being a moog product competing directly with the Machindrum and new JoMox Xbase999. Assuming it could offer more or less the same features with a moog spin on it.
1st it’s called product diversification. It’s something different, new and exciting for them. And why would anyone need a new drum machine, with software and that has already been done in the past 25 years??? That’s like saying why make any new analog monosynths that has already been done. Why do we need Ken’s M5 when we already have the Arp 2600? Why make the Voyager when you already have the Model D, Crumar Spirit. Please Dave no Evolover I alredy have a Prophet 5. Doepfer, please no more modules, you too Serge, Modcan. I have software that can do this etc? The same reasoning could be argued here.
Perhaps moog can take what’s been done in the those years and do something different. Elektron did it. And don’t even bring the software vs. hardware debate here. I like hands on. Don’t really care for software much. People like me don’t mind paying for a fine crafted instrument like the voyager and others will agree. But it’s pretty obvious people value the hardware and sound they put out because they keep demanding a budget monosynth when they just as well could go software/softsynth. Just because you appeal to a small niche crowd doen’t mean you’re not successful. Buchla 200e anyone? If it is a budget monosynth I’m happy for you guys though
But I’ll empty my moog funds to another vendor.
although i agree with you about “hands on” i think performance is a much larger factor when it comes to keys than a drum-machine, unless they release another drum controller?
if it is a monosynth i hope they give it a nice long ribbon control!
awesome idea with the ribbon control.
would be cool though to have an OS-less and screenless synth. just the knobs and the sounds.
Why not reuse some of the Voyager components and make a simple 2 VCO sizer with 1 VCF, 2 ADSR and an LFO. A new modulation bus that can route e.g. LFO to all/nothing, only mono out, simpler knobs and switches, no wood, get the 37 key (M.E.K=Mono evolver keyboard), take away the touch-pad and all the fancypantsy software features.
I would buy that too… it’s a moog. ![]()
Regards
Demokid
i’d buy the simplesizer (but not an early model).
if it only has one ADSR it should have an AR as well.
it has to have wood!
if the moogerfoogers get wood, then so should the low cost synth!!
While I agree that Moog may not be the obvious company to make a sequencer or drum machine, I disagree with the rest.
I’ve just stopped using Logic Pro + Mac G5 to record with because of its crappy MIDI timing and time-sucking interface. My Monomachine and Machinedrum blow it out of the water in timing and usability. And the Mono sequencing my Voyager sounds simply amazing. Now I just need to buy another 5 Voyagers! ![]()
I know that may sound very picky and maybe most people aren’t bothered by slack MIDI timing / poor user interfaces but I’d counter that a lot of people can’t see why I’d buy a monosynth that costs two grand (UK). My answer? Just listen to the thing! ![]()
My wish for a new product: a modern Memorymoog (my ancient one is on the fritz again). Or perhaps a modern Rogue so that poorer musicians could get their hands on a new, cheap Moog?
Why do you say this? I always wondered why my old ARP Odyssey had an AR instead of another ADSR…
OK, let’s look at this logically…
There is too much speculation and hype around for this new product to be a fooger.
Sure, it could be a totally new product (such as a vocorder, sequencer, or drum machine) but does Moog want to stick a bunch of money and research into something like that and HOPE that it sells?
While it could be an entirely new product, it makes the most sense for Moog to produce something that people have been calling for, such as:
Taurus type of product
Memorymoog type of product
Prodigy type of product
While Taurus pedals have been going through the roof on ebay, why do we need a new model built today? Why not use a Voyager and a MIDI foot contoller? This does not seem like a likely product as there is just not enough call for it IMHO.
There is LOTS of interest in a Memorymoog type of product. Something like this would be great, but what would it cost? People already complain about the high cost of the Voyager. What would a new MM cost? $5000? $6000? More? Too much money that not enough people could afford.
Prodigy. These have continued to be popular, and their prices on ebay have skyrocketed over the past year. How many people on this forum have said that they would buy a less expensive Moog? Tons!! Well, now it is probably time to put your money where your mouth is, as a simpler, less expensive Moog makes the most sense based on demand. There is not a lot of development necessary as you can scavange many of the parts from the Voyager. You know that you will sell a ton of these if they are available for $1500 or so. I saw a film clip of Dr. Moog showing off the Voyager prototype at a show and the initial projected cost was under $2000. OOPS!! Guess that we went over that by a bit, but I would think that a new, less complicated synth could be made available for that $1500 mark, particularly now that R&D costs on the Voyager have probably been paid off over the past few years.
Do you think it is a coincidence that Moog waited until AFTER NAMM to announce the new product? This gave them the opportunity to thoroughly check out the DSI MEK.
With all that being said, my money is on a smaller version of the Voyager.
Still don’t know what all that talk was about the flashing light to dollar ratio, however…
See, isn’t all this speculation fun???
Yea, but for them to check out the DSI mek and makes changes to this new instrument tells me design wasn’t that far along. If so, let’s see if they can compete with the price range to feature of the mek. Don’t think so
But I’m a cynic in this case. We’ll see…
who knows, maybe it’s a moog workstation. 16 oscillators and 16 of everything else, 32 track sequencer, 2000 savable sound patches, stereo sampling/preset/user definable drumbox, 16 multifooger fx, 200 gig harddisk recording, 8 x usb for midi and audio transfer and a huge 32 inch kicka@@ color touchscreen with visual potmapping and flexible routing. multiple superfast cd mastering in the box (16 simultaneous cds in 1 minute), 8 PC card slots, all sorts of patching and cv ins & outs, dj slots & crossfaders for 4 ipods, and 4 external stereo ins, sampling, multisampling, resampling, upgrade kits for fm synthesis, physical modelling, 16 track audio multitracking with pingpong, plus automated faders. 8 independent arpeggiators, fully syncalbe and customizable, 8 infrared theremin beam devices, stereo mutliband hypervocoding and import of mmv patches. free mac & pc editor to go with it.
all encased in mahogany wood and marble & platinum knobbery.
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the evilmoog comes in three custom sizes:(mortgagemoog with 88 full piano action weighted keys/pawnshopmoog with 77 semiweighted keys/hobomoog with 61 lightweighted keys)
While I admit that I don’t know anything about the musical instrument biz, I am in manufacturing. As you say, now is kind of late to start making changes to a design if it is to be released in a month, BUT it would be very helpful to check out the price of the MEK and compare dollars to features. No sense charging too little for the new Moog synth if they can get more. Checking out the MEK lets you know if your pricing is in the ballpark, or if you are leaving money on the table.
My vote is for a memorymoog that stays in tune and doesn’t break down…
Well whatever it is I’m sure the majority of you will be having fun
me too with my voyager.
having only one ADSR would reduce the cost of a synth
and an AR would be cheaper than a second ADSR
i would like to have two ADSRs but would also like a “cheaper” moog
so if, to reduce cost, it does only have one ADSR, they should throw in an AR as well
it sholuld be something like this
it sholuld be something like this
i’ll second that!!
but i would like to see pitch/mod wheels
it sholuld be something like this
http://moogarchives.com/mini70.htm
Heh… the model B Minimoog prototype. Good sounding machine (I played it) but Bob said the case/lid would have been a b*tch to build in production.
Dave Kean of Audities has all four model A, B, C, D prototypes and I helped him set them up for display at the winter NAMM 2000 show - the same show where Bob brought his “Performance Synth” prototype, later to evolve into the Voyager. All the model A, B, C, and D prototypes were running and making noise, show attendees could play them.
The model B was my favorite, it sounded the best. Two were built: Sun Ra had one of them and it appears in a photo in a 1979 Keyboard mag interview. That one was lost in a fire. Bob kept the other one before he donated it to Audities. They were built with circuit boards from the 900 series modules. They were still searching for expression controls (haven’t stumbled on the wheels yet), so pitch bend was implemented using a slidepot in the middle of the front panel. It had a center detent but was awkward to use. But the filters sounded reeeeeeeeeally good and it was a fat sounding machine.