the mf-101 is nice, but im what im suggesting is trying to better the product in question making it more practical and useful for my needs im not offering alternative products as thats counter constructive.
and i really do hope the guys at moog consider it, processing softsynths with a moog filter has been a dream of mine, but opening and closing of the envelope in either direction is nice, but the source signal as the trigger only works in x amount of situations, adding a ext audio trigger would make the unit would offer some one like me many other creative options,
some trigger control is needed, heck even a midiport or usb port on the unit to trigger it would be fine, would be a great way to open up the 500 series module to alot more creative uses.
I love the internet. It’s where people go to complain about things they don’t need, can’t afford and/or have no interest in, all of which are made by other people for people other than themselves. And still - they come.
Personally I think this is interesting - not so much in itself, but as an indication of what else we might be seeing.
Have to say I can’t get angry about something that isn’t for me.
I think my problem with the Animoog was that it is software and really the T3 needs software updates and an editor, but I guess that’s probably not even the same people who would code it anyway.
IMHO Moog has gone digital. They’ve released software “versions” of their wonderful and respected analog products. I think that is a big mistake. I think all their creativity and manpower should be invested in doing what they have always done wonderfully.
Dude what the hell are you thinking?
Whats going on is that Moog is expanding their customer base. At one time it seems they manufactured a eq,some rack mount phase shifter and some other things.I’ve seen all sorts of non synth Moog gear on ebay. I’m not a synth historian so flame me if Im wrong. And even If they never were in that market why should they not expand? If I don’t want or need it it shouldn’t exist I love all you flat earth fanboys. I don’t need or want The Ladder or a Mood slide guitar,so they should not make one. Wow is all I have to say!
They way you guys make it seem, its like a Norlin era remix.
I have to admit, they have gone in some weird product directions the last few years…the guitar, the lap steel, and now this.
We really don’t know where they get their ideas from. I tell you that I think one of the things that has gone way down hill is their marketing since Chris Stack left. They had virtually zero publicity for their lap steel, and a trend of product names that are getting a little more immature.
For all we know, their product ideas come from industry trends that they are picking up from NAMM and other shows, or from the studio time they spent with the Taurus III, or it might even be that Mike Adams has his ownlong term vision. We’re not in the know so we really can’t say.
I saw this module come out and I was surely thinking that my dreams have come true about a Modular, but it’s peculiar to me how they are making a product for another company’s platform meanwhile all of the products that we want for our synths, other synth companies are steadily moving in on.
I have no doubts that it would sound great and I know good things that it could be used for, and pricewise, it is in the higher end of other 500 series modules. Ive seen them go from the high 400 dollar range to as much as 1200 for a tube preamp at sweetwater.
The platform is actually universal now, made by many companies like eurorack except for engineers. I disagree strongly that their marketing is down hill, quite the opposite, they are expanding their customer base hugely. The lap steel is more of a specialty product, why spend any effort marketing to the lap steel players’ club? I don’t know why anyone who doesn’t play slide would buy one. Moog already has a solid line of musical gear and I don’t think it would be wise to go into modular territory, a market already saturated with RA moog clones. What they are doing is calling attention to their established gear with these new products aimed at other markets, because they know that once they try moog gear they will be hooked like the rest of us.
I think they realize that there really aren’t many options in the way of new products that stay true to their history, so they are trying to target everyone else besides us synthesists to expand sales on existing products. If you think about it, no one has really put forth on this forum or otherwise any good ideas for a new product. I know you guys want them to make a self contained poly, but that’s a bad idea and its not going to happen.
My guess for the future of moog: they will expand on the fooger line about once a year, continue to release apps, and keep making the voyagers and phatties for a long time, with no new synthesizers.
I think there have been lots of good ideas for products they should make, but good is subjective to our individual needs.
Take a look at the “What should Moog release next” thread and then you will notice that Doepfer seemed to get some ideas from us directly (Dark Energy, Dark Time anyone???)
You made some decent points about marketing, but I tell you what…
The Lap Steel came out with zero fanfare. They had a youtube video that was “private” featuring a demo of it. Nothing on facebook or twitter and from what attendees said, at Namm, you had to ask to see it or know about it before they would break it out. Big Marketing Mistake. You had to do some major google digging to find out anything about it at first. WTH?
Their new homepage is way too cluttered and you have to dig to find the product page. This should be the easiest thing to find right?
I think that they are releasing products to market way too fast also.
Im sure they will iron out all these details…hell Im just glad they are still making money. And you can bet your bottom dollar that these apps they are putting out are making a lot of profit for them. I won’t ever use them and I don’t like software synths, but as long as they keep the good products funded then Im grateful.
I think their biggest issue is their space and their staff size. We sure expect so much from such a small group of people. I don’t think that can be stressed enough.
I think they’re simply trying to straddle the market: a .99 app and $840 filter.
Moogfoogers for those in between.
The format for the 500 is a bit dated with consideration that many studios have gone out of business, but it’s still a viable high-end device.
I’d suggest they offer a $49-99 discount for those that purchase two for stereo. It provides added incentive to buy two or more.
At a place like AES though, this device would be immediately accepted.
Large production studios send engineers and buyers to AES even though they might skip NAMM entirely.
It’s a very different crowd with some overlap.
(ie: you may well show a 500 filter at both NAMM and AES, but you’d likely not show a Moog guitar at AES. It’s not a show for instruments usually.)
It’s not optimum for a modular.
You’d have to add front panel jacks, perhaps a CV summer and is simply too expensive for most modulars, not to mention that there are more widely acceptable formats if this was their intention.
If Moog came out with a 904A clone (perhaps with some varied power and connector options), I think they’d have all bases covered.
They would immediately find buyers with Synthesizers.com and other Moog format modulars ready to buy.
What price they’d decide for such a product would require very careful consideration though.
If Moog came out with a 904A clone (perhaps with some varied power and connector options), I think they’d have all bases covered.
They would immediately find buyers with Synthesizers.com and other Moog format modulars ready to buy.
I haven’t given up hope that someday Moog may still do it. I have to admit that I was fooled for a minute when I opened the web site and saw what at first glance looked like a new synth module from Moog, but my excitement soon turned to WTF ? I’m just glad Moog is still making new stuff, even if it’s not something I’d purchase. If they ever do build any MU synth modules, they will sell them.
Why would I buy Moog modular components? Even though I have 88 MU spaces, the only things I would like to see from the new Norlin Group would be a FFB with inductors or some of the Bode stuff reissued. I know they will never do the FFB as the machine to make the coils is no longer in their possesion. And no one could afford the Bode stuff. The MU and 5U market is so well covered in the plain vanilla modules that the Moog modules would represent it would never be worth their time. Even the 960 is cloned and better than the original. And with folks like Ken McBeth and others doing ‘enhanced’ (You know, stable.) copies of original modules, who needs them? There seems to be no one at the helm right now and the ship is just yawing in the wind. Glad I’m not a shareholder.
Now, if they would redo the MF’s in CP-251 formats, I’d be interested. And it still seems they have forgotten what a VCA is or what it can be used for. Just glad I got what I got before they run themselves on the reef and founder.
(Come on Moog, prove me wrong.)
They should put the moogerfooger line into a 5U/MU compatible format. Stay away from the basics (oscillators, filters, etc) since as you mentioned those are covered by many other manufacturers. If they could keep the cost the same or slightly less than the current moogerfoogers, all the better.
The point is, that Moog seems to not be manufacturing what ANYONE wants anymore. Or is only willing to build to the smallest niche markets they can find. And don’t mention the Animoo. It isn’t manufactured.
Yes, yes. What people want is for Moog to inexplicably make a drum machine or a polyphonic synth for a price that is ridiculous.
I don’t know who you think “anyone” is, but the Slim Phatty is an affordable Moog synth, the Animoog is an insanely expressive polyphonic iPad synth, and that filter is a very functional pro-audio tool. What exactly do you think “everyone” wants?
Yes, but would you pay that much for even one? The MF-101 I’m sure is just as good for 1/3 of the price with way more functionality and its own power supply. It’s a marketing/name exposure tool, and a dam good one.
I haven’t given up hope that someday Moog may still do it. I have to admit that I was fooled for a minute when I opened the web site and saw what at first glance looked like a new synth module from Moog, but my excitement soon turned to WTF ? I’m just glad Moog is still making new stuff, even if it’s not something I’d purchase. 
If they ever do build any MU synth modules, they will sell them.
Cause you aint in the big leagues yet, at least until you can hang with the 110 + space systems… keep trying, you’ll get there.