If possible, please check for a moment how the drivers of your controllers are oriented when you look on the lists of Midi Input and Output in Cuabse, Ableton etc.
For NI Maschine MK2 for example, it will show:
“Maschine Mikro MK2 In” on the Midi In menus
and
“Maschine Mikro MK2 Out” on the Midi Out menus.
Would you check how it looks with various types of controllers that you have in your setup ?
not sure if this what you’re after, but here’s the MIDI devices setup window in Overture 4.1 with my Sub 37 plugged in
Aha I see where your coming from and why, I think your nomenclature is wildly different from the rest, so here ive fired up my synths and you can see that none say the words in or out against the device names, if you followed suit then (i can only speak as an ableton user) confisuon would not arise where you have the word out showing on the ableton midi in section and vice versa for the sub.
hope this helps and if i am entirely wrong and shown the wrong stuff let me know and i will resend.
regards as always to Moog and the forum group
Thank you,
What I mean by that is that we want to make sure that the driver should really place the Moog Sub 37 In under the In menu, and Out under Out (as used when looking from the computer POV).
I have search a bit more and it seems that most devices are oriented that way (incluing NI). It would be interesting if you see similar behavior on your system.
I think for test purposes it was fine to have the instrument name sub 27 then in out but it doesnt matter what it says as long as they reflect the true in and out, interestingly the slim fatty shows just its name and nothing else.
The new moog USB driver has the In and Out info in it’s name, while the default driver doesn’t.
i tried several MIDI configuration dialogs of different programs where i get: “Moog Sub37” (often at the end) - i.e.:
hth a bit…
good luck!
Niels.
current setup:
MacBookPro 21,1 / OS 10.11.3 / Moog sub37 / Roland TD-30 / DSI Evolver / DSI Pro 2 / DSI Tempest / Access Virus TI2 / SHRUTI1 (4pm filter) / Axiom 62 3rd / Zoom GT7.22 / AVID Eleven Rack / Universal Audio Apollo 8 dual + 2x quad thunderbolt/ Audient 800 / Personus FaderPort - Pro Tools 12 / Studio One 3
Hi,
Tested in Logic…
See “Moog Sub37” in my config, when using Midi and see Moog Sub37 in my config. when using USB.
In win7 I see Moog Sub37 using Midi and Using USB…
So all fine
Regards Luloop
…tried NI applications (standalone) a bit further. I get:
can’t test NI Maschine (app or hardware) because i did not have it…
I had problems with the MIDI dialog of apps (like Thesys) in the past when the MIDI name at the “beginning” (first 7-14 chars) where the same and the app just handles very short MIDI device names - but could solve that with the developers of the software.
Hi, I believe you are using OSX correct ?
The question is actually how different drivers appear on DAWs (rather than how moog drivers appear), but it’d be interesting to know about that as well.
Thank you.
PS - would you add the setup info to the signature ? I can help us understanding the reports better.
heres a view from maschine as a plugin and the I/O which is pretty much what was expected
some from the hardware maschine studio too
A screenshot of my current midi I/O setup
(see if you can spot the photoshop mistake:)
using the arp of the sub requires a lot of midi sync delay, not sure why
Just for the record:
On Mac OS X 10.11.3, the Sub 37 always appears as “Moog Sub 37” in every Software (Cubase, Live, MainStage, Maschine, NI Synths) without “In” or “Out” in the names. Compared to other hardware, the MIDI In/Out ports are not available as separate sources or destinations.
Thanks, this confirms that indeed most manufacturers use the computer POV when referring to in/out ports, like the new moog USB driver does.
Can you elaborate please ? any scenario we can use ?
i tested sync in various ways:
the sub is playing very short noise bursts so i can focus on the attack
setting a 1 bar midi loop playing short 8th/4th /16th midi notes from my daw
playing/triggering the internal arp from the sub’s keys (latch)
triggering the internal arp from long midi notes played by the daw
to get all of these to sound in sync tight enough
(being extremely crytical, i am quite sensitive to this, a latency of somewhere between ten and twelve ms starts to annoy me already. )
i need to set midi delay to about minus 48 ms
when not using the arp actually it sounds tighter when i use less negative delay time of the midi out (about 29ms)
but the most uniform i can get it is this setting
this could be caused by so many factors, plugin delay, wrong compensation by ableton, the midi out of the interface, a latency in the sub, a little bit of all of these…
does that answer yr question?
ok thanks, I have documented this report and will check this further.