My new CP-251 w/o red jacks

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…so the eagle has landed and I’m so happy with having “him” now - but…

…it has no red jacks anymore :cry: - so I’m a little disappointed having it without “The Red Jacks”…

I know it’s childish more than a little bit, but it was looking so fine/great - so familiar to me… with its reds…

Does anybody of you know how to get its red nuts?

many thanx

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get some red spraypaint?

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It may not have the red nuts, but it does have those new attenuators! That’s a good trade-off.

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:slight_smile: - thanx nathan - a nice, funny and for sure also a working idea - but I think I will keep on searching for the red nuts …

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you can get red nuts by removing your swim trunks for a few hours. OUCH!

I would imagine those red nuts are standard sized parts but you may have to buy the entire jack assembly to get them. Hopefully they are not custom made parts for Moog. Try a electronic parts supplier or perhaps Moog will sell them to you directly. Good Luck..I agree Black/Red look much nicer :wink:

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I noticed the other expander units didn’t have the red jacks… this may be a silly question, but you did make sure that it was a CP-251 right?

Or maybe they ran out of them at the factory that day and still had to ship some out.

Also, if you do find red nuts somewhere, I am quite interested in getting some for my pedals.

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MarkM -

What are the new attenuators? What is different about them?

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The new ones are able to invert the signal.

Very cool with my sequencer.

:sunglasses:

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somebody should erase all “sunglassed smilies” from this forum
quite annoying.
sorry..
something from my childhood i guess..

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:wink:

what we really need is a greater selection of smiles.

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you’re right!
actually,
that’s poetry!

i am going to make it my signature, if you dont mind!

smile

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The red nuts are important as they denote the jacks that can supply power. This makes it possible to connect an expression pedal to these jacks and control a particular function with the pedal. There are 8 jacks with red nuts on the CP-251 - two in the mixer section, one in the LFO, one in each attenuator, one in the multi, and two in the S&H section. Without the red nuts as indicators, you’ll have to remember which jacks supply power to use an expression pedal or alternative controller. Of course, Moog may have changed the panel graphics in the latest units to indicate those jacks that supply power, but the picture here doesn’t show it:

http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=48&

Curiously, an older model CP-251 (with red jacks) is still shown here as part of the rack mount kit:

http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=74&

As for the other Expander units, since the VX-351 CV Expander is a type of breakout box for the Voyager and RME, all of these jacks supply power in the form of control voltages. However, none of these jacks supplies that power in such a way that allows you to use an expression pedal (none of the jacks have a TRS-type connection). This is why none of the jacks have red nuts (insert your own joke here :smiley: ).

As for the VX-352 CV Input Expander, a picture of that unit has black nuts on all the jacks, but with white rings around certain jacks that (I assume) indicate those jacks that can supply power:

http://www.moogmusic.com/detail.php?main_product_id=235

Also, I see that the active attenuators in the '352 feature some clever enhancements, allowing the input signal to be attenuated with or without an offset, or inverted and attenuated with or without an offset. Nice to be able to invert envelopes or LFO waves for some cool new possibilities.

  • G
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…sorry - I forgot about it → the “new” CP-251 has the white rings to act as indicators for power supply as well…

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Well, there you go!

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Cliff makes them:

http://www.cliffusa.com/info.asp?ID=304

you’re welcome!

ps. here they are for sale: http://www.tubes.it/jacks_eng.htm also check out the bezels which can be just as useful

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Thank you gregAE - but I just wanted the “traditional” mooger look and that’s why I was asking for… the funtionality of the white rings was quite plain to me…

all the best

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…oh my loved red jacks :wink: - here they are - many many thanks - I will try to get it from the states to Austria

bye

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just for your information - I got it from moog:

Unfortunately they are not directly compatible, as the red nuts are threaded to screw on and the new jacks have ¼-turn “snap-on” nuts that are a slightly different size as well.

so I have to do it as nathan has suggested - thank you again nathan :wink:

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1/4 turn snap-on nuts?

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yes, the meaning of “snap-on” is exactly that I also do not know - I suppose it is not screwed but plugged-on.

It was not able for me to check it on my CP-251 by a short scan an I don’t want to touch him inside.