I would love it if Moogmusic came out with a new analog drum machine that would interact with other Moog instruments like the Voyager and Moogerfooger effects.
A Drum Machine that has CV control inputs for each voice(snare, bass, hi hats, etc…) that way you could use the CP-251 or the Voyager to interact with the Moog Drum Machine.
CV control over attack and decay of each drum voice.
CV contol over the pitch/tuning of each drum voice.
CV control over the panning of each sound for wild surround sound(maybe even 4 output quad sound!)
CV/Audio inputs for Frequency Modulation of each drum voice for really crazy sound.
It could also send CV signal to not only sync but to also modulate the Voyager or Moogerfooger pedals.
Programming would be very similar to a 808 or 909 but the ability to play odd time signatures 5/4, 9/8 etc…
It would also have seperate outputs for each voice to really help with mixdowns.
I’d be interested if they also allowed it to be controlled from the Voyager keyboard so you could play the drum sounds live or play some live stuff over a programmed backing. That’s a great way to get over the automatic precision of drum machines.
Very nice idea But that’s alot of CV inputs and most surely would be best if the jack points were 3.5mm 1/8" type vs. 1/4" to keep the unit small. Don’t forget about individual outputs of the drum voices and envelops to interface with your other modular gear if needed. Or are we talking about another breakout box for CV outputs like the VX-351?
I would like a dedicated patchable LFO with around 10 selectable waveforms as well with this unit
Hey I’m just coming up with the concept not the design . I do like the idea for another breakout box for people who want the option of so much CV control. 1/4" is way better than 1/8" plugs/jacks.
Yes the whole point is to create something that interacts with other Moogmusic gear(or modular synths) by CV.
It’s idea is more like having a MODULAR DRUM MACHINE with sequencer.
I wonder why people are voting against it?
Myabe it’s the Moog staff/designers that are just thinking “…the work!”
It would be like the most kick @$$ drum machine ever.
Yea, the concept is good. I like it. I understand the reason for 1/4" jacks and to interface with Moog gear. But it would just be alot of jacks and I was trying to pack alot of jacks in a small space. Plus I wanted it more so to interface with Doepfer gear and my Cwejman modular
It would would be killer though. Might be tough to come up with a competitive price point. I think most users really want to see a budget mono synth. Not me though
I haven’t played a 909, but an 808 is a fairly large drum machine so 1/4" may work. Definitely CV jacks would be needed. The blue backlighting and wood panels and maybe make it expandable to add more features like the Voyager does. Hopefully it would not emulate an 808, but have more “realistic” sounds. It would have to have the booming kick that the 808 and 909 have but with a Moog sound similar to the Voyager’s percussion sounds.
Seems to me that you could program the desired drum samples on the RME and multi-track them into a backing track for a song. Or, you could (shudder!) sample RME drum sounds and create a track using that.
I second that. If I make some really cool percusiion sounds on the Voyager, I could save the presets to use, but doing all of the drum work one sound at a time would be very tedious. It is nice that we can do it though. Sampling is another way to go, but not quite the same as the real sounds. I know there are a lot of anti drum machine musicians, but there are a large number of us that do like to use them. The speed of using the dedicated drum machine would be worth the price along with the quality and creativity Moog can put into it.
Yeah, most don’t, but it seems to have worked out pretty well for Wendy Carlos and Isao Tomita.
I understand your thoughts on this. It’s a cool idea that has merit. Trouble is, I don’t think it would generate enough sales for Moog to make it a profitable product, and that’s going to be the determining factor. Still, there’s no harm in voicing your ideas here. Moog does keep an eye on these boards.
Didn’t really mean ‘concept’ - my bad. The engineer in me was thinking that it might be worthwhile going through the exercise of creating some drum sounds using your RME and multitracking them just to see what you can do with the sounds. Prove that the idea can produce useful results in some kind of context.
Right, RME is the budget synth they’ve all been looking for. And yea you could sample the sounds from Voyager but it would just be alot of work. Since I’ve updgraded my Machinedrum to UW I’ve thought of doing just that. But I’d rather sample non traditional sounds and load them into the MD for sequencing. That’s why I’d like to see a dedicated Moog drum machine.
I think it could generate lots of sales. Look at how well the Machine Drum did and is still doing. It’s the best Drum Machine on the market period and UW really opens up the door for user experimentation.
If Moog made a run for it there’d be a market for it if priced right. Analog Moog drum machine with CV patch points? Sign me up!
of course i’d buy it!!!
even though i’m sample-based, i know the value of a good drumMachine-synth in my setup…
I can’t believe all the folks who said “no.” But hey, if they make one, I’ll buy it and make bangin sh*t. Others will sneer or cheer… i think Moog’s just got some magic on the under… i’m not gonna sleep anymore (nor will i be a fanatic)…
somehow this board is kinda turning into some kind of parliament with conservatives and liberals bangin their heads in saying “i want a drum box” or “build me a synth” or “make me a modular” or “knit me a moog chapka”. moog should be lucky that they don’t even need to ask around what they should build. the ideas are already there. and if the drumbox is in the pipeline then that’s whats gonna happen. some will still not be interested in the least. if it’s the synth, others will say nay. if it’s a new moog raincoat, others will yell, “heck no, not another raincoat!”
the rme is not the bargain synth “they’ve all been looking for”. it has the same features as the mmv except the touchpad and a keyboard plus or minus some other things, i don’t even wanna know. how is that gonna be a bargain if you have to buy more stuff in order to even play it? keboards are cheap, ok, but it is still an extra cost that you could just as well give to the food bank. plus, an rme is quite a clunky affair, unlike the funkymoog/prodigy/rogue some may have in mind.
it’s kinda sad that some peole say stuff like “i wonder how people can possibly not want a drum box” or whatever. i don’t have an ipod, nor a car, nor a tv set nor a cellphone. so what? don’t need any of those things. neither do i need a drumbox from moog. nor from any other manufacturer. don’t preach people into feeling like losers because their playing style and needs are different, please.
whatever the moogies are gonna build it will appeal to some and not to others. so chill.
Not my intent. I’d never presume nor make a judgement on someone I’ve never even met - especially a fellow Voyager enthusiast. Apologies if anything I wrote offended.
This forum is a good place to present ideas and thoughts on advancing the art, and all ideas are equally valid. Although I don’t have much interest in a Moog drum machine, others clearly do, and I can certainly respect that. (An aside, my interest in the next Moog product is a CV oscillator expansion box for the Voyager, very similar to an idea proposed by godzilla. Thread: http://moogmusic.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1955&start=0)
One of the ways Moog gets feedback and suggestions on products is right here on these message boards, frequented by Voyager enthusiasts who are motivated and involved, and not afraid to voice their thought and opinions regarding Moog’s current and future products. Every manufacturer should be so lucky to have such direct feedback from its customers.
Cheers!
Greg
P.S. - After all this Moog probably WILL announce an analog drum module at the winter NAMM in January! D’oh!
Well, yeah, I suppose you can look at it that way. Expensive for just an oscillator expander, though, and way overkill for the purpose. And you still need the VX-352 for CV control.
That said, if I had that kind of money, I’d buy one.
Wowee… Lots of Arguments here… Bummed about that.. Bob wouldn’t want us to argue…
I personally would love a Moog Drum machine or bringing back a series of Moog percussion controllers. like 3 controlers (assignable with CV) to the Voyager and other synths..
Whatever Moog releases next, even if its a Moog food proceesor, I’d probably buy one…
I will say this much and not anything more than :
IT WILL NOT BE LONGER THAN A MONTH TO SEE WHAT THEY RELEASE NEXT ! ISN"T THAT WHAT THE NAMM CONVENTION IS ALL ABOUT? NEW SHTUFF ! I WILL BE THERE TO WITNESS IT FIRST HAND (YES I"M A BASTARD) BUT NO ONE KNOWS (OTHER THAN MOOG MUSIC) WHAT IS WILL BE !! LETS ALL BE PATIENT AND STOP ARGUING !
But that’s alot of CV inputs and most surely would be best if the jack points were 3.5mm 1/8" type vs. 1/4" to keep the unit small. Don’t forget about individual outputs of the drum voices and envelops to interface with your other modular gear if needed. Or are we talking about another breakout box for CV outputs like the VX-351?
