is there a way to have the moog delay behave like this:
I know it doesn´t work because of the design of the mf-104, but could I make this work with a boss ls-2 or other loop pedal?
thanks!
One possible work around would be to use a “powered” footswitch, and put that through the CP-251 Lag Processor. Output the lag to the Mix input. The repeats won’t just decay naturally, but I don’t think you can get the 104 bypass to mute only the audio input.
Different delays do do this. E.g. Boss DD-20 will only kill the input and not the repeats. Because it’s digital (perfect reproduction), you can play into the pedal with the feedback maxed, and then hit the bypass so the feedback doesn’t get out of control. It’s a lot easier than using those damn sound-on-sound loopers where you must play x bars perfectly. And this way, you can then change the speed/pitch of the loop!
You could use a Line Selector to kill the audio input, yes.
Split your signal - use a footswitch (or mixer alt out) to send through the delay to get the effect you want then disengage the input into the delay - effectively bypassing it but not using the delay itself to manage the bypass.
If you turn the mix all the way down quickly will it allow the delay to decay, or is it just like by passing it? Other wise I say just split the signal that should work just fine
Instrument to a/b selector, a chanel to 104, b chanel to y splitter input one, 104 to y splitter input two, and so on. Or instead of y splitter you can obviously use two amps or a stereo amp or mixer
This should do it. Put the 104 in the A loop, use the A->Bypass mode.
Latigid on, great idea! Those Boss pedals are pretty cheap, when bought used, anyway. Would such a setup be called anatal or digilog? 
CF,
THe delay will keep going until it decays on its own or it will cycle indefinately depending regardless of the mix amount. The Mix amount is essentially just like a crossfader.
Eric
then why not just use an expression pedal to turn the mix down instead of bypassing it? Or if your handy you could probably make a preset box with one pot connected to a switch so when the switch is activated it sends the control from the pot to turn the mix all the way up or down. And when switched off it would do the opposite. Would that even work? Cuz I think I need to get a couple of those
then why not just use an expression pedal to turn the mix down instead of bypassing it? Or if your handy you could probably make a preset box with one pot connected to a switch so when the switch is activated it sends the control from the pot to turn the mix all the way up or down. And when switched off it would do the opposite. Would that even work? Cuz I think I need to get a couple of those
That should work too. Using a TRS plug, wire the (latching) footswitch across the tip and sleeve. Set the Mix to 0, use the switch to turn the mix “on”.
If you wanted more control over the mix, you would put a pot in there too. That way you could jump between “off” and the mix level (set by the position of the pot).
See were getting into the realy of stuff that I don’t know about…which is the electronics aspect. I cant talk about applications all day long but then getting into the specifics of the need for TRS cables I don’t know about.
I think this was why I was having problems with my delay, because I was trying to use the touchscreen AND the ep1 to control it.
Usually I leave everything in the audio chain, leave all pedals on and adjust the mix when needed to turn on of off an effect. Unless Im doing something different thats how I usually approach it.
Eric
To bypass and get delay tails you really do need to cut the input of the pedal. Turning down the mix only fades out the delays, it doesn’t trail one specific sound into self oscillation while you move on to the next riff.
The LS-2 won’t work either… because it closes the delay out door.
You need to A-B the signal into the delay pedal, then blend the two back together. When A is selected, you bypass the delay totally. When b is selected you play thru the delay as per normal.
When you enter a sound into the delay using B, you need to switch the input back to A, but still allow the delay signal to mix with what you are playing thru A until the delay is no longer wanted, in which case you would simply turn off the delay pedal to end the oscillation.
Here’s a weird one: Use the LS-2, with the 104 in the A loop. But when you want to kill the input, you have an additional foot switch connected in series with the loop send. You don’t bypass the unit, you only kill the input. No one is the wiser, and the 104 keeps sending the repeats to the loop return.
Or, use a Y-cable to split the output of the 104, patch into the LS-2 A and B loop returns. If you lose some gain, you can make it up with the Level knobs. If you patch the A send to the 104 input, but leave the B send disconnected, in A<->B mode, you will effectively kill the input when the LS-2 is “stomped”.
Let us know if you actually try some of these!
Here’s a weird one: Use the LS-2, with the 104 in the A loop. But when you want to kill the input, you have an additional foot switch connected in series with the loop send. You don’t bypass the unit, you only kill the input. No one is the wiser, and the 104 keeps sending the repeats to the loop return.
What is missing from this is that you need to be in A+B MIX mode, with a single patch cord connected between B send and B return - this allows the natural signal to be mixed with the delay output. So then yes, you could use the LS-2 to achieve this, you just need the kill switch before the delay input. 
A kill switch is really easy to make too, with an LED indicator, you would only need a DPDT… Or even better, do you have tuner that kills the signal when tuning?
i have a delay pedal with an fx loop ill have to try the kill switch idea tomarrow
wow! so many replies.. haven´t gotten around to try this stuff, but I will this next week and report back.
I tried the kill switch idea and it worked. I put a tuner in the fx loop, set the delay time for about a second, cranked the feedback, and played a little melodic riff. Hit the tuner to bypass it and it kept repeating while I played something else over it.
so finally I had some time to try this with the ls-2..
solution I came up with:
A <> B mode
guitar → input LS-2
A send > mixer input 1
B send > mixer input 2
when A is active, the input of the delay is killed, dry guitar signal.
when B is active, delay signal is heared.
when A is active again, dry guitar + fading out of the delay (or indefinite feedback)
pros: works
cons: a device that mixes 2 signals is needed for this to work.
I could not think of a way to achieve this with only the ls-2 & delay.
the version with the killswitch works also, but I don´t have pedal tuner…
I wonder: would a simple passive killswitch using only a dpdt-switch make a loud pop-sound when engaged?
That might work. I know that I use the switch on my powerstrip to turn my 'Foogers on and off. The pop can only be heard if the reverb on my amp is turned up.