That is already done via MIDI and real time knob memory. Potentially every knob turn and filter sweep can be recorded to a sequencer. It is the old acoustic instrument notation that has its shortcomings and falls short for the accurate writing of music. Still, that’s a good idea if you find yourself dealing with staff paper and music. Someone should come up with some symbols to indicate the various knob twiddles and wheel turns..
Jeepo,
I was playing a piano not too long ago and I was really feeling expressive because I had the house to myself. I was really getting into it, maybe a little too expressive, in the heat of the moment I reached over to the piece of wood (Where people put their drinks, cigarettes, etc) for the mod wheel, and lo and behold, there was none.
I know what you mean about using wheels lololol.
I think the type of notation that you are reffering to is part of the continuing evolution of notation into and beyond the 21st century.
They did try this, at least back in the '80s:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN8_brP9-8E
About 3:30 in they talk about their notation. A bit fuzzy, though.
Anyway, an old favourite video!
While on the subject of wheels, it’d cool if moog were to build a box, a lovely box, throw in four lfos, and four wheels, then maybe midi, and bam! a mp 201 for your hands, now add cv allowing for foot pedals. multi wheel 201?
Good idea.
Somebody asked for a joystick as well.
Not a bad idea: in the two possible meanings:
a bend+mod joystick (roland style)
or
a coil-less joystick (the kind you find on prophet vs and wavestation keyboards).
One thing I noticed in these forums:
the touch surface seems to be the least loved and/or least discussed feature of the Voyager.
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Me myself I don’t use it a lot.
Ozy,
On Roland joysticks…
My Father bought a Fantom G8 and the Roland KC880 amp, the fantom is great and seemingly well built EXCEPT for the LHC which is a big block of plastic and a really crappy joystick. I think thats the only thing that Id like to see changed on the Fantom. Its not a really wonderfully solid piece of plastic either, the surface is pourus and hollow. Definately not one that Id feel comfortable going to town on like that of the Voyager.
When you own a Voyager, I guess it spoils you, or raises your expectations of other companies.
Eric
I didn’t ask for a Roland or Yamaha or Korg joystick.
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I asked for a Moog joystick.
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Of course a mass market workstation has crappy plastic components.
That doesn’t make the CONCEPT of a joystick [tool for mixing signals along two coordinates] any less interesting.
Indeed, the Voyager pitch bend wheel is not the best tool for pitch-bending, and the Voyager would benefit from more tools.
[footnote: Moog people, if you read the above, DON’T replace the pitch bend wheel with something else. Just think about ADDING an external tool which includes more wheels, more pedals AND a joystick for “vector” performance]
Oh, by the way, Eric. I didn’t answer last night, but now that you mention it:
Erick: “Ozy, You would be further ahead playing your synthesizer if you etc etc”
yes, mommy.
and
Electrong: “Ozy you need to take a chill pill.”
Yes, Auntie Henrietta.
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I tried to ignore your stupid comment and give you the benefit of the doubt, but obviously youd rather be a douche so be all that you can be.
Respectfully,
Eric
stick to comments on instruments,
and you will avoid retorts.
Better: stick to comments on instruments YOU know something about, you use, you really own and play,
and you will not be everywhere at once, getting deserved retorts.
blah, blah, blah
Now, back to the techniques!!!
I love the idea of the joystick, i played a korg with one a while ago, and was able to achieve control pitch and filter with one finger, something i am not very good at with my phatty lhc, even using my whole hand, which leads me to a new idea, a unit with five joysticks, designed such that one can control all five joystick simultaneously. is there such a thing as too much lhc?
I like joysticks to. I have one on my Korg M3 which also has a small ribbon controller directly below and two user assignable switches above. The joystick can modulate as many parameters as the user wants using not two but the four directions. The X axis is usually pitch, the Y modulation and the ribbon controller is filter cutoff for many patches.
Of course, most joysticks go back to center on release including the M3 although I think you can freeze the position with the one of the toggle switches but that is not really the same thing.
Multiple joysticks might be nice although they would be more useful if they had the option of not returning to zero.
For multiple parameters the M3 uses slider. It gives you real time control over 8 parameters (actually more if you consider it has several modes) but they are not tied together as in a joystick.
Rather than multiple joysticks I would love to see a joystick that provides some sort of tactile feeback such as resistance or even variable levels of vibration as well as being sensitive to pressure perhaps even in zones depending on different parts of the joystick.
This makes it more like an instrument. I find controlling multiple parameters on the M3 somewhat confusing even though Korg has done a good job of trying to standardize between patches for the sliders.
I personally would like to see many different controllers that control multiple parameters but based on gesntures. I play guitar and while I have many techniques for effecting timbre, I am leven thinking in terms of multiple parameters but only a single gesture. Technology is starting to get there with the K-Bow and now the Eigenharp and certainly Moog with the Moog Guitar. I think the sky is the limit her but the companies have to be convinced that its marketable.
Well theres also NE NW SE and SW positions.
Or up and down, now that would be interesting. Imagine suspending a large joystick that you can hold with springs so it can move up and down, another degree of freedom.
Hendrix actually wanted to have sound move up and down in his mix and front to back.
Woah there, Auntie Henrietta wonders how your DISrespectful statements read.. ![]()
Yes Miss Manners.. ![]()
hu. I’d like to know if you got deep into the M3 use as a control surface.
I tried using the M3 sliders as controllers for the DSI analogs, and just gave up after a while (“a while” being two months, not two hours).
WAY too much data output from the m3 and too little editing capabilities in its menus.
I.e:
I generated a “filter cutoff” control, and got the receiving synth all messed up (OSCs drifting and the lik). Since analogs mostly have limited or no selective midi filtering capabilities, there’s no way of asking the analog to not listen to odd midi messages.
“midi solutions” boxes are wonderful… at 150 bucks a channel ![]()
The digital and more recent machine should have such filtering capabilities.
The M3 hasn’t.
Or am I stupid?
I’d like to know what you did.
(PS: pls consider that I don’t and won’t use a computer. The M3 is my “thing that goes digital in the dark”, my only concession to menus. Maybe it’s just that I believed them when they said “it’s a computer, compared to your other stuff”
. I think it’s more of a refrigerator, compared to my other stuff…
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PPSS: what if I had REALLY believed them, and bought the Oasys?!?
3000 more bucks = a new moog
oh: I read all comments about the joystick idea.
Thanks for the comments, plenty of performance ideas. Hope moog listens.