Mixing multiple instruments into MuRF/104z at gigs

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My very long, detailed, original post has apparently disappeared after clicking “Preview.” Very frustrating.. here’s a condensed version.

I want to go beyond using my MF-105 and MF-104z as simple guitar effects pedals. I’d like to have them effect a larger chunk of my band’s sound.

I have a drum machine plugged into the tap/step input of the MuRF, and into the audio in. Very cool synchronized rhythms. I want to mix 2-3 synthesizers, along with the drum machine, into the MuRF to get the rhythmic pulsing effecting my whole keyboard rig.

I’d also like to mix 2-3 vocal microphones into the 104z, for spacey effects - I use an expression pedal into the delay time input, and do fun octave-shifting pitch noises.

I’ve never used a mixer live before, and I’m wondering how feasible these ideas are. I’ve been experimenting with an old, malfunctioning Alesis mixer, so it’s hard to gauge how good/successful this could be.

I’m worried about distortion/feedback/muddiness from mixing multiple synths/vocals into just a couple Moogerfoogers.

Are they designed to handle this sort of configuration? I imagine lots of people run whole mixes through their MuRF/delay in the studio, but it seems like there’s potential for disaster at a live show. Should I be compressing the synth mix/vocal mix before sending them to the MFs to maintain a more consistent drive level? Is there a recommended limit on how many instruments to route into one pedal? Will the sound guy hate me? Is the real solution to simply acquire more Foogers? :open_mouth:

Any advice on using mixers with MFs in a live setting would be greatly appreciated. I can give more details about the hypothetical setup if I left anything out - I didn’t have the time to recreate my original post. Thanks!

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I would strongly recommend using a mixer that has Auxiliary Sends. Something like a Mackie 1604VLZ is about right. Cheaper than that and your sound suffers too much, as well as available options. With the Aux Sends, you can dial in how much of each sound goes to which device. Like this: Send Mic 1 to the 104 at 30% and to the Murf at 20%. Mic 2 to the 104 at 45% and the Murf at 0%. Synth 1 to the 104 at 10% and to the Murf at 80% etc. Run the Foogers back into the mixer on separate channels.

This gives you a lot of control over the individual signals going into your Foogers as well as wet/dry mix. You could even take the channels out of the L/R main outs and run them via another set of Aux Sends straight back into yet another mixer channel.

Hope this gets you started, surely others will chime in with other options.

Stephen




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Thank you, sounds like exactly what I needed to get started!

You could even take the channels out of the L/R main outs and run them via another set of Aux Sends straight back into yet another mixer channel.

This part is the only thing I’m having trouble understanding - What exactly would it do?

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Sorry, I didn’t say it clearly enough.

Remove the desired channels from the L/R mix (by disengaging the L/R switch), then turn them up in a spare Aux Send and take that Aux Send and patch it back into another pair of channels sending them out the L/R buss. The reason for doing this is just to obtain more control over various volume channels/busses.

It makes more sense when you have one in front of you and are using it on a daily basis…

Stephen




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