They should make a clear one next.
Which will be very heavy. Plexiglass is denser and heavier than wood. At a NAMM show I picked up a bass guitar, then another of the same model made from clear plexiglass. HEAVY!
i think you got your fallacies in a muddle.
False Analogy: Cats can jump fences after eating cat food, so humans can to jump fences after eating cat food too.
unless you are trying to say the principles of selling dont apply to synths as they do to guitars, then it is not a false analogy.
Tu Quoque: “You hate cats so you cant come to the cat show with us!”, “Tu Quoque- you hate cats too and you are going!”
its not tu quoque to say someones argument is not valid if they are not being hypocritical.
i remember when all mobile phones had green backlights. nokia put blue leds in backlight display- and put it on sale for $800. double the price of the green backlight model.
changing the led colour cost: $0
appealing to the market: priceless
moog will make money where it sees the most to be made. it also has a job to make sure the flagship product remains desirable. the techs are not working on this stuff, its the marketing people. im sure the techs are busy working away on new products.
There were too many dissimilarities (listed above) to make that a valid analogy.
The tu quoque fallacy isn’t so much about hypocrisy as it is about deflecting criticism of a behavior to another guilty party to justify the behavior.
“I’m no more racist than Jesse Jackson.”
“Fox news is bias,why can’t MSNBC be bias also?”
My original point wasn’t that repackaging the Voyager is a bad thing (Select Series Voyager owner here), but that there comes a point where one can no longer rationalize it with the argument that they have to do it simply to stay afloat. There have been so many versions of the Voyager, several of the Phatty, now the SubPhaty variations. When you look on different forums, Moog catches flack for this because there are a lot of requests people have made over the years for new stuff that never gets made. And then (and this is also more to my point) there is this focus on software apps and guitars and lap steel guitars, and now guitar pedals, and people want some new badass synths.
If you want envelope generators for your Fooger Synth you have to go somewhere else. If you want polyphonics, it’s looking like DSI is the solution.
People who buy Moog products don’t necessarily want to look elsewhere because they look for Moog to make top notch stuff with good customer service to boot. No one here wants to see Moog lose business to DSI when they complain about DSI filters.
It reaches a point where it is hard to question whether a polyphonic synth is risky in light of a $15k glam Voyager and a $50k+ Keith Emerson modular clone.
tu quoque is otherwise known as the “appeal to hypocrisy” - and translates from latin as “you, too” as a comeback to an accusation from a hypocrite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
i think you make a lot of good points.
i think we all want more and more gear from moog in the affordable range.
i dont agree about the polysynth. i do appreciate a lot of people are asking for one, but you see a lot of people saying they are not interested too.
cheers
This.
I was under the impression that the slim phatty chain was a decent poly?
As many of us have stated, Moog is a small company. To keep the boat floating while you do things like design a poly, or new foogers that haven’t been done yet, the boat needs to float. Having another company design / build aluminum chassis is a good boat floating exercise to sell 100 voyagers. Our wants and needs depend on things keeping the boat floating.
I personally don’t give a care (retro phrasing) what Moog releases. I used to get uncomfortable about their digital products, but come on, they are a company trying to make a profit. Whatever they can make that people want, even if it’s a digital polysynth, who cares. It doesn’t matter one bit. It doesn’t make the products you like any worse, but if it does, obviously that is a psychological thing, and not their fault.
Yes, I have ranted about how Moog should never make a poly, especially a digital poly, but now I realize it’s all just a manifestation of OCD. I think it just bothers people when a new version of what they already own comes out. It’s like when a new version of software or a car or whatever comes out, it makes the older version seem inferior, even though they were perfectly happy with their version before.
But I have to admit, some of the pictures I have seen of the aluminum voyager are very cool. It doesn’t look like a stereotypical Moog, but it looks very smart in it;s own right nevertheless. If you like your beautiful wood voyager, though, just imagine they came out with a voyager made out of shag carpet or something, that will make you appreciate it more.
And there in-lies the entire con of man.
Think for yourself, while being FULLY aware of what one is thinking and how one’s ego influences perspective. Then be open to it being totally wrong to another ego-perspective, and we would likely find peace.
The aluminum voyager appeals to my ego-perspective.