How about ‘programming’ the 105b’s filters so you can ‘play’ them 
I understand the sentiment, but Im not worried about the added functionality impeding my creative process and Im happy to take the good MIDI offers and leave the mundane to the robots who want to pre-sequence everything and just push play.
I haven’t read all replies but I think you shoul dbe worried when they eliminate CV inputs for the midi…which I don’t think they will ever do.
Eric
hi, i own a Bass Murf and i sure be really happy to upgrade to the midi version, so far with the tradicional murf i’m able to do really good things for the music, and i can only think in better things when you add midi.
I think Moog is taking the right direction here, if you look at the other manufacturers pedals or effects there’s nothing compared to foogers, and if you add midifoogers… their totally blown… Moog is taking this a step further without eliminate any of the previous features, i’m glad for it.
i own 4 foogers and a MP-201, if you add midi to all the foogers i was thinking you will need some sort of box to multiply your midi outs (the foogers have only midi ins)
I theorize that perhaps the reason why they are adding midi is so that you can have greater connectivity. FOr instance, the MP201 currently doesn’t do CV to Midi conversion, so having the Midi in the Foogers will eliminate the need for the converter.
I think the Foogers were just fine without Midi frankly. I guess Im in the camp that hasn’t had much luck with Midi, other than just connecting instruments to other instruments.
As with many things, I have mixed feelings about MIDI. First, I think its a standard that needs improvement because it has limited bandwidth and resolution. This is why you see Lemur and Native Instruments Reaktor moving outside the MIDI paradigm.
Has MIDI made us lazy? I think the answer to this had to be yes to some extent it has but MIDI has also sychopated everthing. This was used to great effect in dance music. Syncopated bass and drum lines formed the basis of whole new type of music. Trouble is, the musician is strangly abscent in all this.
I also think that being a able to save a patch can be a temptation for the lazy and indeed for me. I have to admit that many times I will spend a lot of time looking at presets for synths before designing my own patches. Analogue, unless it is enhanced by MIDI or digital electronics, does not allow for this.
Then again, consider the CS-80 and the absurd lengths that Yamaha went to to be able to save a patch (sort of) and then the sucess of the Prophet 5.
In the end, its up to the musican to define who he/she is. MIDI does not make the musican and sure, a musican who wants to rely on drum loops and presets is going to lack creativity but there are many ways to be lazy in music and MIDI is just one of them.
I do hope that the industry can move beyond the MIDI standard so perhaps Moog should be thinking in these terms as well.
Two words for the naysayers of MIDI on the new Murf: user patterns
Here this should keep you busy until release:
http://www.solarcollector.ca/create.php
So I’ve been stewing on this one for a bit.
MIDI would open new doors to very large areas of play with moogerfoogers, and probably areas that we couldn’t see before - such as the user programmable patterns. Just look at the thread regarding the analog delay; the “simplest” way to add some of the requests for change would be through the implementation of internal MIDI ‘processors’ (if you will). Possibilities could include delay time, and potentially getting it shorter for flange type sounds… Or, adding the tap tempo feature - though this is most competitive as a permanent ‘feature’ simply opened by pre-programmed MIDI controllers present, it does allow syncopating samplers & drum machines quite easily. One barrier I can see it hitting quickly in this regard though, is the want / need for more CV inputs. I want to be able to sync the delay time to an LFO frequency, both controlled by a tap - that would be a fantastic feature using CV, but how do you break the barrier created by MIDI and analog pots with start and stop positions?
You’re kind of forced into one control or the other - or to allow for some type of correction when the knob is set at minimum delay time, and the tap tempo is set to one second intervals. Any movement of the analog knob would either have to take the delay time outside of it’s limits, above it’s maximum time, or would force a sudden change in delay time from the tapped time to the analog knob time. It would be a neat glitch a few times I’m sure, but would just get really annoying during a jam. I’d like to see how the MuRF handles this with it’s LFO.
Think about having a nice self oscillating delay sound at a tapped long time interval, and you reach for the expression pedal to slow it down, and the pedal is near minimum already. From what I understand, when you get to the expression pedal, you either have a glitch from the tapped setting to the pedal setting, or you force a re-alignment of the expression pedal value to the one set by tapping… Meaning you need to move the toe down until you equal the value of the tapped time, thus re-locking the analog control of the expression pedal to the tapped cycle, and free for modification via analog methods.
Look at EHX… some of their new stuff is definitely MIDI pre-programmed. To some degree they have offered this for a while, but only for memory applications, like the HOG. MOOG has a leg up here, allowing control of parameters in realtime, without fiddling with knobs. Theoretically you can change more all at once. You’d almost have to take a page out of the Little Phatty’s book, and have the knobs free spinning (correct me if I’m wrong here…); the new EHX pedals have that new, usually white handled knob that has continuous rotation.
Maybe that’s what we will start seeing…
Maybe this is the reason that MIDI needs to be internally implemented?
Or am I completely in left field - 
it is late!!
MIDI is useful but archaic.
I know there was some work on MIDI 2 but its too bad that an advanced MIDI protocol hasn’t been developed that could support old MIDI.
MIDI works great for me.
I love MIDI! 
The LP’s knobs aren’t free spinning. They are real potentiometers that go from 0 to 10 just like the knobs on your Foogers. The values of the knobs are scanned digitally (from what I understand) and that’s how the LED ring around each knob shows the value. You can set the knobs to either “snap” or “pass-thru” mode.
If you’re that worried about the value of your MuRF, then sell it right now and buy the new one. I honestly don’t think their value will tank though.
Also, I think the MuRF is the only Fooger that makes sense with MIDI. I doubt they have plans to add it to the others.
What WOULD make sense though is a brand new Fooger with MIDI-> CV pitch and gate, an ADSR envelope or two and maybe a VCA as well. Put it all in CP-251 format, then you can truly make a complete modular synth out of Moogerfoogers. 
I agree. It seems that having a higher bandwidth, higher resolution standard that incorporates MIDI but takes it into the 21st century would be a major advancement.
Products like Lemur and Reaktor are using new standards now but the industry needs backward compatiablity. I guess that convertor boxes might work but why not just build MIDI into the new standard?
How well do digital and analogue play together? It seems to me these are some of the broader and important questions that are being asked here. As someone who is emmersed in both words, I am not sure how far its possible to go with this analogy and I would agree with the post that pointed out that Moog may not be planning on converting all the foogers to MIDI and frankly, with many of them it does not make sense.
Some of the comments here about the Moog delay are looking for things that are best left in the digital world. Some of the features mentioned here can be found in digital delay pedals. There are some great ones out there that do everthing that is being asked for and more.
To me, the magic of the 104-Z is that it is analogue. The means that its feedback is not as pristine as a digital pedal and to me, thats its magic along with the send and return loop that is not present in a lot of the high tech MIDI/digital based pedals.
Some of the people posting here might want to look into an Eventide Eclipse or another digital rack unit. I have an Eclipse myself. You can control everthing with MIDI. A bit more pricely than a fooger but powerful if you can aford it. It also has digital ins and out and can save presets to a memory card. Not only does it do delay but pitch bending, flange, chorus, and more.
Frankly, I did not buy foogers to replace my Eventide. I bought foogers because they have CV inputs and outputs and are analogue. In many ways, CV beats hands down MIDI any day. Why? Because in a sense, it has infinite bandwidth. You can combine voltages and change them in ways not possible with digital. Sometimes, the resutls are unexpected and that is part of the magic. You also don’t have to worry if you are overloaded the system with MIDI controller messages.
The same with analogue. It has not CPU meter. Overload an analogue circuit like a tube amp and it sounds warm and fuzzy. Push to many digital streams through a CPU and you get nasty digital burp (which I hate, I really, really hate that sound).
Analogue is not better or worse than digital, its just a different animal. Digital TV is good right. Very clear but when you get below a certain signal strength, you don’t see snow, you see nothhing. Good and bad. Not really better or worse.
So can the two worlds be blended together. Yes, to some extent but before trying to put a digital costume on analogue circuit, realize that digital circuits work pretty well sometimes on their own. If MIDI enhances an analogue circuit insteand of trying to turn it into something that acts like a digital circuit, then I think its a good thing. I think this is what the MIDI murf is, best of both worlds. A 10 from me. A reset would be nice howewer, I do agree with that.
MIDI is useful but CV still does a kind fo magic that digital can’t touch. MIDI also does its own magic. Again, just two different animals that will never be the same.
as someone who improvises using drum machines, sequencers and guitars, I completely and fully welcome midi to the foogers…I totally love and use CV on the foogers and a sherman all the time, but this just opens up more possibilities…nothing wrong with adding a new tool to the arsenal if you ask me…
This is spot on. User patterns. Playing the individual frequency bands with a keyboard OR programming them with a sequencer. It is a solution that is simple and intuitive. I can’t wait.
…and for those who are nervous about digital technologies moving into the fooger world, you do realize the MIDI Murf is no more digital than the originals, right? There aren’t 24 built-in analog sequencers inside those things.
I don’t think anyone is nervous about digital control of an analog sound stream. Moog would never make a digital sound stream.
Digital makes 95% sense in the realm of parameter control. The other 5% that’s missing is what analog offers - like infinite steps between settings, not 127 different possibilities for example.
I don’t feel any nervous about adding midi to foogers but…
if you read thru this forum a lot of people asked for vco mf, eg mf, spring reverb mf… let’s say more modules for our “moogerfooger modular synth”.
Now it seems like moog has no interest in making new modules ( and no problem at all with that because we have synthesizers.com, club of the knobs, mos lab and many others who love to clone old and "new"moog modules ).
If moog just want to update “old mf” serie, why don’t build a midi to cv interface (good for all the pedal at once)? why not a custom case?( because who really want to dismantle two wood sides to rack three foogers and then have to loose other three rack unit spaces to have room for cables and a patch bay???)
Just food for thoughts I guess… but I just feel there were so many useful things to build berfore coming out with a “midi murf”
I can’t believe grown adults are fretting over this.
That’s right…we should be out killing the Hun.
Or, at least, twiddling the knobs on MIDI-deficient Foogers.