modulation and tap tempo is something a lot of other companies have been doing w/ delays and moog could definately update the analog delay w/ some of this stuff. has anyone checked out that malekko 919 analog delay…it’s not out yet but the specs look dope and it’s supposedly going to be under 3hundo!! still love my mf-104 though…
I’m curious about the BBD chips that other builders are using in their analog delays. I’m pretty sure Electro-Harmonix has moved to a cheaper chip for their new analog delays (Deluxe Memory Man XO, Memory Boy, Memory Toy), as the street price on these delays is really low. If the pedals sound good, then I’d like to see Moog look into making a cheaper 104Z or a delay priced in the range of the existing 104Z with added features (tap tempo, built-in modulation, MIDI clock, etc.).
thats exactly true about the EHX delays. there was an article i read somewhere, might have been on their site, about how they only had enough bbds to continue making the original memory man up to 2009 and then they had to redisgn it, hence the XO, boy, and toy.
as much as i would love to see the 104 in like a $300-400 price range, or even less lol, i dont at the same time because that means either features will get cut or sound quailty will suffer and i dont want to see/hear that happen. the only thing i would like to see changed is to make sure that shorting out thing that alot of people were complaining about i fixed 
It isn’t apparent to me that sound quality would have to suffer with the cheaper BBD chips. Part of the reason delays that use those chips are so expensive is due to the rarity of the chips.
I’ve tried a few of the cheaper analog delays that are on the market and they sound pretty good to my ears.
i havent had a chance to play with a 104 so i probably have my expectation of the sound way too high, although great im sure its not as magical as i assume. but yeah there are some good sounding cheaper analog delays (carbon copy?) they are all just different
It is a great sounding delay, but the sound isn’t $XXX better than a Carbon Copy or $YYY better than a Deluxe Memory Man. For me, though, the loop and CV inputs did justify the price premium. If Moog could add more features, but save a bit of production cost by using cheaper BBD chips, then I think it could be a good move.
Could we hear that?
Is it possible to add some tape delay modes, or wouldn’t that work with the bucket brigade design? I would ditch my tape for an updated delay with midi and modes (or programability of some kind).
I’m currently trying to sell my RE-201 and will save that money for the updated MF-104M;-)
The fact that people like amos haven’t yet mentioned a word about it makes me optimistic;-)
I believe that the DMM XO still uses the og BBD chips (gutshot somewhere on TGP) but the Boy and Toy use cheaper, new-production chips (hence their much cheaper price!). Much of the wonderful tone of the MF-104 is the BBD chips and makes it expensive!! Cheaper chips…shittyier sound
I guess I’d like to hear those cheaper BBD chips first. Part of the reason the old chips are expensive is rarity, not quality.
I think that if they reissued an Analogue Delay, they should reissue the 104SD. That would be great, as long as the self oscillation short is cured.
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