Deeper modulation at maximum index?

Is it possible to get this with a future upgrade? I could do with deeper modulation at maximum amount values.
For example using the LFO to modulate the pitch of the slave VCO on sync patches, is not enough with the amount at maximum.

you must want some pretty gnarly sounds… I’ve found very small amounts of modulation for the sync patch you describe better than more than what the amount knob will do… shrug.

Well its not just that, if I want a tight bassline with the cut-off frequency low, yet want a hefty amount of overtones in the transient, with the EG index at maximum in the VCF, its does not get nearly close to a fully open VCF. I want gnarly sounds, but I am used to the modulation index amounts I got from my Doepfer modular, the Phatty is not even close.

Not that its going to put me off from using it in every single track I make, but if this was possible with a software upgrade, it would be super cool.

Maybe you can try to set the second destination on the same parameter. That should double the modulation amount available, am I wrong?

Thats easier than what I was going to suggest… Haha. I was going to suggest patching a cable from the filter env CV out to the filter input jack… But if you have the slim or a phatty without the CV mod, you couldnt do that.

Nope, just have a Slim Phatty, which I love and hope this can be sorted with a software upgrade.

Did you try doubling it as Stiiiiive suggested above?

In the menu, set 2nd mod destination the same as the main front panel mod destination.

I haven’t yet, but will do, although that is extremely limiting as to what you can double up in the modulation martix with and obviously, takes away the second modulation bus from modulating a different destination with a different source. So far I have found a solution in the VCO Sync patches, by automating in Logic the slave VCO’s frequency so that it covers the range I need in some patches.

Have you tried the Logic Pro Transformer Object?
I’m not running Logic but Cubase, but I believe the Transformer object is similar to Cubase’s Midi Transformer.
Going by this method you could probably do this in realtime, instead of automating it afterwards.

I can quickly sort this out with assigning a knob to VCO2 frequency and tweak from my midi controller but generally i automate things in as most things need to be in sync. Its ok i am getting used to it now, just seems strange to me the modulation is not deep at maximum index values… Why would they do that is beyond my limited knowledge. I mean the LFO at maximum modulation index covers like half VCO 2’s frequncy range (available on the actual knob in the panel). Try it your self, tweak it manually and the set the LFO to do it with max amount

Unless there is something wrong with my SP… Is this the case for you gents as well?

Just tested this with the lfo on the filter and indeed, it doesn’t reach far at all.
With the cutoff all the way down and max mod depth, it doesn’t even go much beyond 50 % of its range.
And setting mod dest2 to the filter doesn’t double it up, it does nothing.
That is actually pretty weird and beyond me as well :confused:

Its a big let down, especially with such a great sounding synth

Indeed it does not work… a shame…

We can hope for it in a future release, I guess :slight_smile:

Definitely email moog support. This thread may not get it the attention it needs.

Although I do not think this is a flaw with the instrument it self, rather than the way it was designed to work, in the first place, I emailed Perry Willig at Moog support about the issue and sent a link to this thread as well.

Let’s see what the people at Moog have to say about it. Fingers crossed a future upgrade will sort this out.

I’m not near my LP to check. Does it go full range with the ramps? Square and tri are bipolar. That would explain half range up and half down at full depth.

I usually use the ramp down LFO output for Sync VCO patches, I felt the modulation was not nearly enough there as well. I haven’t checked to see which LFO waveforms are bipolat and which are unipolar, I do remember though setting the VCO2 frequency around the sawtooth shape, mark. The modulation depth with maximum index was like 50%… maybe even less.

Bummer