Clockwork Orange soundtrack question

I’m aware of the background to Wendy Carlos’ (at that time still Walter Carlos) contributions to the soundtrack for Clockwork Orange, but tonight I’ve found something else.

I’ve just heard an arrangement of part of the fourth movement of Beethoven’s Ninth which claims to be associated with the film. Its not by Wendy, but by Mark Ayers, but it seems to be the same abridgement Wendy did, and it uses vocoder etc in a very similar way (only not as well).

This seems especially odd as Wendy made that arrangement independently of the film.

I’m checking out some film music groups, but while I’m waiting for replies I wondered if anyone here might know about this, as its Moog related.

Thanks.

Hey,
I was not aware of Mark “Ayres” contribution to that score. This is a site I have been looking at that you probably already have found:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Mark_Ayres/Records.htm

Mark also did the opening credits for “The Shining” which I liked alot.

I was not aware of that as well. I thought Walter did the whole score, aside from singing in the rain :slight_smile: Guess not.

And not to forget “I want to marry a lighthouse keeper”. :wink:

To me TIMESTEPS is one of the all time greatest synth classics. It got all those tricks other musicians used many years later. Its unique in composing. And got a great ensemble of sounds. I think no one is able to do such a master piece on now a days gear. New features like polyphony, patch memory and midi sequencers don’t help if one misses the real art of making music.

Very true. SoundonSound Paul White had something to say about it in this month’s issue (May) and how the keyboard isn’t as expresive an instrument as say the guitar. Things seemed to have changed once polyphony caught on.

Thanks for the link, Moog Beam. I hadn’t seen it - probably because I’d mis-spelled Ayres, as you pointed out. Thanks for that, too.

Interesting that he was involved with The Shining, as Wendy was as well.

I feel fairly sure there must be a simple explanation for this, as nobody would make such an obvious copy of Walter/Wendy’s work and expect to get away with it if it wasn’t legitimate. (I still need to check the two abridgements and arrangements more closely, though. I’m going on memory with Walter/Wendy’s.)

So she probably knows all about this. I’ve only just now been able to get back to this, but I’ll do some more digging on the net before anything else. I’d be a fool if I was to say “hey, Wendy, you need to know about this” and it turns out she’s known about it for years. And she probably has.

Re Timesteps - I couldn’t agree more. It’s a marvellous piece of work.

Incidentally, I’m pretty sure the Moog system Walter/Wendy used was a custom build which included sensors on the keyboard for expression.

She moved to digital synths during the eighties (GDS Synergy, Kurzweil etc) and I believe she now uses the Moog only very rarely. Behind the apparent fluency of the Moog playing from Switched on Bach onward there seems to have been a great deal of painstaking and detailed work. I think the sheer quality of works like Timesteps has a lot more to do with Wendy’s skill, patience and hard work than it has to do with qualities the Moog modular has that modern synths don’t have.

But as you said, Q Wave, the thing that matters is the art of making music. I suspect many of us have dramatically underestimated how much struggle there was in Walter/Wendy’s pioneering work.

Re Paul White, I remember he was using guitar synths back in the eighties - and presumably still does. Personally I find guitar and keyboards differ in the way they prompt you to play. I play both, and find each expressive in different ways, depending on what sort of music is played. I wouldn’t ever say guitar is more expressive that keyboard per se. But maybe for some people it is. For me, tthe sounds can overlap, but the way I play the sounds will vary depending on how I’m getting them.

When I get the chance I’d like to try a trained soprano with a voice controlled synth to see what happens. I wonder if for her the voice would be more expressive than a keyboard? In my case it certainly wouldn’t be, :smiley: - but on the other hand I’d still use voice control on very rare occasions. It all depends on what the music requires. And that’s one of the beauties of using synthesisers - there are so many ways to shape the sound.

And I’m sure our colleagues in the theremin forum would have their own contributions to make to discussion about expressive control of electronic instruments.

Re not forgetting I Want To Marry a Lighthouse Keeper - I’ve been trying to forget that for years. :smiley:

I believe walter/wendy had recorded most notes individually for switched on/ clockwork orange to add the expression you hear by splicing and editing tape. Very time consuming.

I love the whole soundtrack to A Clockwork Orange - such a shame Stanley Kubrick chose not to use most of it in the film. I have actually created a patch called ‘A Clockwork Lemon’ on my Voyager, which is similar to the sound used for the main melody on ‘Theme From A Clockwork Orange’. The Tron soundtrack is another good example by Wendy Carlos.

Walter/Wendy

It’s just Wendy. You refer to a transgendered person by their target gender.

In case you didn’t know.

-Hoax

Thanks. Yes, I always refer to her as Wendy normally. The problem is, when she worked on A Clockwork Orange she was still Walter, hence the qualification I put in. That’s why I refered to her as Wendy above except when referring to the earlier work.

But naturally she prefers Wendy now, and the re-releases have the name Wendy on them.

I say Walter. Walter Carlos :slight_smile:

Hey,
Boy do I feel like the village idiot! I honestly never knew Wendy Carlos used to be a man! This is like a strange revelation…
I mean, I’ll admit she has some strong looking cheekbones…but I guess I am just uninformed about things…er…everything I guess.

Tomita is not like a gender neutral name, is it?

Wendy had the life-changing operation in the early seventies - about 73 or 74, I think, from memory. It was mentioned in the music press, and she was reported as saying she’d considered herself a woman for some time before that. The early vinyl albums all say `Walter Carlos’ on them.

Maybe the fact that you hadn’t realised is a sign that being a woman is right for her and suits her.

As far as I know Tomita has always been a man. I think his first name is Isao or something like that. I saw him in concert about the time Wendy was having her operation, and he was a man then, anyway.

I think you’ll find he still is.

Hey,
I think the fact that I did not realize he had a sex change was the fact that he looks so much like a woman. Also, I never read about it anywhere.
But for now on I will call him Walter out of nostalgia (but not to his face, he might punch me).
My favorite Walter Carlos is Tron…it is ingenius.

But for now on I will call him Walter out of nostalgia (but not to his face, he might punch me).

That’s pretty wrong, man.

I could call Chinese people “chinks” out of nostalgia for San Francisco in the 1920s…

…but that’d make me an ignorant dumbass, and my Chinese wife mad.

-Hoax