Thank-you Dan! Excellent responses! I am going to have to break the bank for this one! It sounds like they have lived up to the “we want to give everyone the delay they have asked for for all these years!” statement.
Dan, it happens
thanks for the post.
I’m thinking the 104M will be a nice addition to my other delays ( 104 SD, DD20 RE20, Lexicon MX200… the ones in the SE50…![]()
I was hoping my next delay would be a re-201,301 or 501. Damn you Moog
I’ve wanted another 104? for the internal loop on my 104z.
Lets hope the 104Z comes down in used price which was pushed up by Ebay fever ![]()
I’ve perused the manual and am curious about one thing that I feel like I’m not understanding. It looks like the tap tempo gives you 1/4 notes and the midi gives you a delay sync option and lfo sync option with different time signatures, I’m just wondering if there is a way to have different delay time signatures (ie: dotted 1/8) via tap or midi.
Cheers
Hi Dan,
I wanted to ask if the drive ciruit of the mf104 m sounds the same as the one on the 105m
thanks for sharing.
Hmmm… Don’t know. I’ll have to compare them.
Your question made me realize that I didn’t compare the DRIVE
of the M against the Z when I had them side-by-side. I was far
more concerned with getting the volumes of both units identical
whether they were On or Bypassed.
thanks for all the info, Dan. I’m looking forward to playing with mine, as it will be my first Moog delay.
I do, however share the affinity for delays, haha, I have: line 6 DL4 and Echopark, Boss DD-20, Boss RE-20, Pigtronix Echolution, EHX DMM, and coming soon, MF-104m. ![]()
Is there any difference in the input signals from the Z and the M? I notice that extreme highs and lows won’t get delayed by my Z.
Can you make a demo of the Midi functionality? Forgive me if there is one already. I’ve been out-of-pocket.
Eric
Hi Eric,
Give a listen to the 14 Guitar->MF-104M audio examples. I tried
to make each of them show something about the pedal’s true
sonic character.
You should also check out some of my earlier posts in this thread
about the realtime Z vs. M shootout I had.
I just finished a long YouTube video showing lots of MIDI Control
via a Novation ZeRO SL MkII as well as Voltage Control using my
EtherWave Plus.
You can watch it at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74S-FgRdtoY
Thanks.
I did finally see the video on the homepage, their sneak peek, and they did say that they extended the frequency response but im still wondering if that includes the bottom end. Looking forward to the video.
Eric
I didn’t see any mention of tape delays? I have the fulltone tte and really like it.
Hi n2design,
I should be more clear on my statements. My list of delays
is specifically about things I like as opposed to things
that are important to other delay users. Tape delays can be
awesome, but they’re often too delicate for road use, and
can require more maintenance than I am willing to perform.
At the end of the '70s I was using two Revox reel-to-reel
tape recorders to create wild ping-pong delays, and there
certainly is nothing else like real tape “bloom” on the echoes.
Here’s my list of things I appreciate in a delay (no delay has
all of these that I know of, please let me know if you find one):
The ability to abruptly change Delay Time without scrambling
the original note order. (Easy for Analog, rare for Digital.)
The ability to go into endless delay using Feedback Amount,
and enough gain in the Feedback Amount so that I can bring
back and pump up an almost faded signal already in the loop.
Expression/CV control over 1 or more parameters.
CC# control over many parameters.
Locking to MIDI Clock (Clock Division option is even better).
Tone control (the more the better) of the repeats.
External processing of delay via Send/Return which gives you
the ability to make up for not having Tone controls as well as
creating many other neat effects.
Stereo In/Out. Or even Mono In/Stereo Out. I know that phase
inversion as a stereo trick does not do well when summed to
mono, but I still like the psychoacoustic effects it can create.
Choice of Tails or no Tails when Bypassed.
The ability to go to 100% Wet, not just 50%/50% Wet/Dry.
Tap Tempo of Delay Time with ability to choose a Clock Division.
LFO Modulation with 1 or more waveshapes.
Reasonable (or better) noise floor.
600+ ms of Delay Time and ability to go to really short delay times
(the lower the better).
So far, the MF-104M is the analog delay which has the most of my
wish-list items covered. (As always, anyone is welcomed to enlighten
me if they find others. I’m always willing to buy more delays;-)
For digital delays, I find that the Strymon TimeLine and DigiTech
TimeBender have the most wish-list items but, again, no hardware
digital delay (that I know of) has everything I want.
In order to have maximum information here, I just wanted to add a crucial point -to me- which Daniel made clear in another topic (for lazy browers: http://forum.moogmusic.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13865)
Unlike the others versions of the MF-104, the MF-104M’s external feedback loop allows to have the first repetition effected by the outboard pedals.