Can anyone make the FreqBox sound good?

Yes, I know that ‘good’ is subjective. I don’t recall hearing a recording where the FreqBox sounded good to my ears, yet owners claim it is an essential moogerfooger. I suspect that with some filtering and delay/reverb it could sound good, but I’ve yet to hear it. So far, everything just kind of goes “skronk . . . weeee . . skronk.” Any recordings you can point me to?

Bryan

I noticed that there was a lack of truly good demos of the Freqbox which prompted me to post my own on youtube. I also have hi fi audio demos. THey may not suit your fancy but I think they show a little more than previous demonstrations. They make for very versatile box.

On youtube, Im demonstrating them with the MicroMoog, a RHodes, Bassguitar, and with an EHX Bassballs Filter. On the audio, some of the same but theres a theremin on there and one with a drum machine as well.


Videos
youtube.com/rhythmicons

audio
reverbnation.com/rhythmicondemos

look at the ones with the freqbox references in the title.



Hope you change your mind!

Eric

I like using mine with an envelope controlled VCA and an analog sequencer. It really can be quite musical, but without the VCA, you have little control.

I played a few of your demos and my mind still isn’t convinced. I’m definitely open to being convinced.

Any recordings I can check out?

Yeah man, “good” is very subjective. There is one thing that you should consider and that is how the FreqBox sounds in a rig that is part of a whole sound in a music piece, i.e. how it helps the sounds it modulates are sit in the mix. What sounds somewhat odd or offensive to you in soloed might work much better in the context of a song.

I use it with the “mix” knob between 2 and 4 it is a great, meaty, fat sounding overdrive for my bass guitar. I use it pump up drum tracks after they have been recorded to give it that “pushed tape” sound. You can use on drum tracks in a more in-your-face fashion to make them sound totally out there. It is great in drones and slow bass synth bass lines with the wave type being modulated.

I definitely think that it sounds better with some low pass filtering.

It doesn’t actually sound “good”, it sounds wrong chaotic somewhat unstable (though the tracking is great!!) and just flat out intense. I actually find it very comparable at times with a Fuzz Factory (which I personally love). With some filtering it is much more nice sounding - especially EQ.

I run a compressor before it that smoothes out the skronk-weee-skonk-ness of it. It’s definitely fatter than the Fuzz Factory… but not a ballsy.

Interesting that you compare it to the Fuzz Factory, as that is my favorite fuzz. I’ve owned it for about a decade and still get inspiration from it.

I’d love it if someone put up a sample of the FreqBox running into the Low Pass Filter. With my Little Phatty I find that the filter is crucial for getting the oscillators to sound more musical. I suspect the same is true for the FreqBox.

There is a great demo I posted up here before(not mine) from youtube, I think it was big city music that posted it. The demo showed guitar into freqbox, freqbox osc out into audio in on the pigtronix attack/sustain, freq box audio out (with the mix knob at zero so you get 100% clean signal) going to the attack/sustain trigger in. This sends a nice smooth tracking vco into a vca being triggered by the clean, unheard guitar signal. This demo, and the one from velvet acid christ sold me on the freqbox being used for something other than noise. And then later ericks demo with micro made me want it even more. But if you go to youtube and search freqbox pigtronix it should be the first video,there is also a maleko(?) dark delay being used. I responding from my phone right now so I can’t post the link, if you can’t find it ill get that one and the VAC one tonight.

As a stand-alone-device it’s hard to get a normal sound out of it…as it is a raw oscillator. I guess it’s supposed to be used in front of some kind of a filter..
guitar>freqbox (envelope pretty open)>big muff pi>amp gets you a very nice daft punk guitar sound
synth c.v. out>freqbox freq in>freqbox osc out >synth audio input (I use Moog Rogue) gets you a 3rd oscillator with a possibility to get its envelope controlled by any other audio source (amp, pitch, fm modulation :sunglasses: )
synth audio out>freqbox>lopass filter gets you one more synth to play with

The Freq is a beast that doesn’t like to be tamed. You can tame it with a VCA, CV (or a Sequencer) and some filtering. These were all mentioned already, but I agree with the previous posts.

It doesn’t sound like a fine tuned Voyager, but it is very analog and can be really organic sounding as well as harsh and out of control.

I don’t have access to the site I usually post my music on, so maybe if you wait a little while I could post an example. I don’t know how long though.

I’ll wait patiently!

If someone wants to loan me one, I’ll see what I can do. I do think the secret to getting good sounds will be filtering. I’m not suggesting that it needs to sound pretty . . . just usable.

If anyone else wants to post some recordings, I’m all ears.

Man, you asking people prove something that is totally subjective?

harsh.

Now these are some rough tracks that I have been working on as part of a two piece project I am involved. The Freq Box can be heard to some extent in each.
*please note that these songs are not finished and are supposed to have vocals on top as well. In some cases these were just one-off impromptu recordings . Also note that the MF-107 is almost never heard on it own. I have it sitting at the front end of my MF-rig.

Here the MF-107 can be heard on the “lead” or high freq. keyboard part. You can hear the Envelope on the MF-107 giving the tone just that little bit of instability.

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/381767/cantakerous_4.mp3

The Freq. Box is responsible for the sound you hear in the beginning, and is in the background drone through out the song.

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/381767/Crinkle.mp3

There is a touch of MF-107 in the lower tone that comes in after the first few seconds of this song.

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/381767/American%20Sleeping_5.mp3

The MF-107 is tweaked heavily at the end of this track

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/381767/F%23%20Drone.mp3

The MF-107 is partly responsible for some the tone/pitch shifting in the higher frequency part that you hear a little ways into this piece and then again quite heavily towards the end.

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/381767/Westward.mp3

I don’t think it is harsh at all. Heck, I think it would really benefit Moog if they had some examples of the FreqBox sounding great. It could be that the FreqBox just isn’t for me, but I suspect I just haven’t heard it used in the right way.

The odd thing is that I like a lot of the type of sounds that the FreqBox can do. Hard-sync on my Little Phatty is incredibly useful. Very narrow PCM waveforms sound great to my ears. Frequency Modulation is a very cool synthesis technique. Yet, somehow, the sounds coming out of the FreqBox just seem to fall into that “skronk . . . weeee . . . skronk” category.

I’ll check out your mp3s later. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

Bryan

I guess your statement comes off as saying “if you are not making sounds that I like, you are not using it right”

This is music after all, not everyone is eating the same dish.

That wasn’t my intention at all.

I don’t know, do you react this way with the pure waveforms of any other oscillators?

It sounds like an Oscillator to me, nothing more nothing less.

Sure those FM noises can make one thinnk its a 1 trick pony, but what application are you talking about? What kinds of instruments would you run through one?

To me it sounds different from a Voyager, which sounds different from the Micro. As an extra Osc, its pretty at home.

WHat are you expecting it to do I think needs to be evaluated.

It may be that its just not an effect for you.

It all comes down to what good is.


Respectfully,
Eric

Little Phatty, guitar, bass, drum machines, circuit-bent children’s toys, etc.

It may be that its just not an effect for you.

That’s possibly the case. Every other thing that Moog makes I can listen to a demo clip and think, “Ah, I can imagine a use for that.” I’ve just not never gotten that with the FreqBox. I’m pretty sure I’m not alone, but there is also a pretty big contingent of FreqBox owners who say it is invaluable.

Bryan

WHat if your LP had an expansion box for outputs? Then woudl you want one as an extra osc?

Yes please! :mrgreen:

That is precisely why I won’t be buying one. I wish it had more jacks and expandable jack potential like the Voyager.