Any chance of a CP-251M with Midi?!

Hi Moog,

Love your gear - bought a Minitaur in the US earlier this year, which is just immense.

I’m thinking of getting a CP-251 for the extra LFOs and noise - but there’s no MIDI, so you wouldn’t be able to lock an LFO to a beat for example. Have you any plans to release an updated Midi-fied CP-251M like you did with the recent MF-104M?

Cheers!

If you have $800 dollars lying around you can get the discontinued moog mp-201 off of ebay lol

But seriously, I hope moog releases a new midi/cv utility box

I am hoping for a desktop 201 with knobs and a nice display.

If you want midi LFO maddness and don’t have a big need for CV (though adding a midi-CV converter is easy), check out the Elektron boxes. If it is just for LFOs a used mk1 MachineDrum goes pretty cheap. The Octatrack has many more midi LFO features, LFO designer, ect. P-locks with slides act as LFOs as well. Drawbacks include the need for a bit of trickery to get very long LFOs and retriggering the free run and hold LFO is not possible on the fly so if things are out of phase you are out of luck. But using P-locks for modulation instead of the LFOs solves both problems.

I use an MD with my LP and midi Murf. The CC modulation is the best part.

MD user here :slight_smile:

I have to second that: plus the Elektron sequencer is great for makking complex evolutions in a heartbeat.

Hi folks - thanks for the replies. I’ll look into the MD stuff. I also heard that the Kenton Pro Solo MkII is good for LFOs etc - but no noise on it. I just really fancy getting into the Moog modular side of things - and the CP-251 looks just the ticket. However, the lack of being able to sync to BPM is a bit of a dealbreaker at the moment. I hope that Moog is listening!

I was banking on an LFO out from either 108M or 104M (I bought both) but no word yet and I think the chances of have the mod done elegantly are slim because they’ve packed so much into each there is no real estate for an additional 1/4" jack and forget about easily tapping into the circuit board. I’ve opened up both and the amount of surface mounted components is staggering.

I’ve read some theories on tapping the voltage going to the LED (LFO lamp) but not sure that this would, even with appropriate TTL boost/buffer, give an accurate representation of the waveforms. (others have done it on other, more simple guitar pedals, however).

I’m have a sneaking suspicion that LFO2 on the Voyager XL is implemented in firmware exclusively from the left side of the keyboard (behind the jack panel) and NOT implemented in the main code/CPU of the traditional Voyager footprint. (Same with ribbon). So the implication is that as a stand-alone unit, it might possibly be released as a new version of the CP-251. I think that the only thing in common between the left side and left side of the XL platform is power/ground and Midi in (for LFO2 sync). Everything else is done via cables that way the software didn’t have to be meddled with.

I am (as usual) theorizing, I’m an Old School owner but spend a good amount of time tinkering with modular and DIY so these may be good guesses : )

But as you said, no solution between a modded fooger and a Kenton will provide Noise the way you want it, so it’s either start your own low’ish cost Synth.com rig or pickup the CP-251 as it exists today. There are thousands and thousands out there so maybe look for a used one.

If Moog did release a CP-251 w/Midi, I’d pick one up for my pedalboard (despite having a fair amount of kit). I have the Multipedal also and it’s outstanding, but I wouldn’t recommend it if you want to plug and play.