Bullsh@#$t!!! A new Minimoog without MIDI and presets (i.e not digital) is not a price issue.
Digital does exactly what it is told. I’ve simulated some analog circuits lately using Spice (digital engineering software) and the results are as expected. Then we use the same analog components in the lab No dice. Digital does what it is told (DSP/simulation). Analog is much more complicated!
In order to get good Analog results requires a good sense of quality analog design and knowing the “Crazy Ass” results of real analog circuit design.
Dr. Moog was an expert in this field. He has given us that quality analog sound. That is what we are paying for!!!
That’s why designers since are trying to emulate his synth audio designs (analog or digital).
The Voyager (all models) kick sonic ASS!!!
I can only get the sonic timbre which moves my bones with my MMVAE (AHHH the sonic pleasure)! It’s in the quality and time spent in the design of the analog circuits.
Please disagree! I’me a Waldorf Q user who knows the power of digital synthesis (in a PPG way). But the Moog sound is what moves my soul.
As such, I can’t imagine Moog releasing a synth without MIDI and presets!
The digital part of the new synth should be only a small portion of the price if the synth is worthy of its analog sound.
I agree with you. You hear all this talk about people wanting a cheaper Moog, and they offer suggestions like no midi or presets. Only a small finite number of people would buy something like that, and then they would start complaining about how they paid X amount of money for something that should have midi and presets. There is no pleasing all the people. Moog does offer a stripped down Voyager: the RME. But people still complain (most are probably non-Moog owners or wannabes).
i am not sure if something electronicy keayboardy built these days without MIDI would be sellable. however, a prodigy or a rogue or even an old mini can still kick expressive butt without MIDI.
i think people want all this midi stuff because it helps automate processes that otherwise would take a lot of effort to accomplish.
on the other hand, at least this is my opinion, it’s sometimes best not to automate stuff but to keep it responsive, user friendly and uncomplicated. plus, when you buy it, it should be finished and working well. that’s not saying it should exclude expandability, but it should be self-contained enough to be an expressive musical instrument in its own right.
“Digital does exactly what it is told.” - interesting position. i sometimes have a feeling it doesn’t want to cooperate at all. especially if it’s a computer.
the rme may be stripped down, but it’s not a prodigy or rogue remake. i think that many followers of the cheap-moog school would go for something along these lines without having to deal with buying a controller keyboard on top of the rme. just my guess, i might be totally wrong.
also, on the moving soul question: it’s also in the composition, not just in the sound alone. i am not sure about this at all. true, moog is a kick butt sound, but other makers can move me just as much as a moog can. it doesn’t even have to be electronic at all, but that’s a whole different issue.
I don’t think this is always the case. I think some people here are ragging on MIDI because they think people use it solely to clean up messing playing. I personally only use MIDI for for clock synchronization, for example, I run a drum track to my Voyager and sync the LFO to the MIDI clock. Also, its great for cleaning up studio clutter, i.e. one master keyboard to control many synth modules.
Anyway, don’t blame MIDI for the sad state of music today, there was bad music before MIDI, too!
i’m partially responsible for the outrage that generated this thread.
My point was (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) that removing all of the digital crap would result in a less expensive synthesizer… not that the digital crap is what MAKES it expensive. Logically… if you removed all of the digital aspects of, say, a Voyager… it WOULD be less expensive, if for no other reason than there is less stuff in it. (ditto removing wood, or even the analog components)
My point was primarily about my (and some others) desire for the Moog synthesizer to return to being an expressive musical instrument, as opposed to a sound source for programmers with MIDI. (not saying that everyone who uses Voyager isn’t a musician, blah blah blah…)
For those of you worried that a synth without MIDI isn’t going to sell a lot… well, it’s not like the Voyager is a huge seller (in comparison to Korg, etc. products) anyway… it’s a high-quality specialty device. I do agree that a synth lacking MIDI will sell less, and I think that’s ridiculous. As I have pointed out in other threads, the point of an analog synth is being able to control “parameters” of the sound IN REAL TIME, with KNOBS… as opposed to having a computer do it, via MIDI. It’s not like the Voyager has functionality that software synths don’t. I suppose someone might suggest that they want the Voyager to be as programmable and controllable as a software synth, but still want the “Moog Sound,” to which I’ll have to chuckle and point out that that’s a little like saying you want to be able to digitally control a violin, but still have the acoustic sound. ; ) For those of you wanting digital control… they say the emulative Moog software “sounds almost as good as the real thing,” and it’s CHEAPER, more RELIABLE, more CONVENIENT, and requires less muslcal/synthesist knowledge! It’s a dream come true! ; )
How about AOL/TimeWarner (insert other megamedia), pitch correction, Britney Spears (or the whole Orlando/Disney conspiracy) and conservative radio (just and opinion)!
Yeah, the song is the booty/soul shaker! Other synth’s, or any other instrument for that matter, and the way they are played is what moves me. I’m a fan of the 70’s funk grooves, when the MiniMoog was the king on the tracks! That is what got me into it in the first place. I’m stoked that I can get “that” sound out of my Voyager.
Be very quite when you make these statements in front of your computer. They are on to this whole “computers can’t think beyond what they are programmed to do issue!”
While I oppose the recent audible overuse of Autotune as an effect (especially because I used that same effect previous to Cher with a Digitech Studio Vocalist, and feel personally slighted that a relatively cool sound was made to be so trendy and horrible), a condemnation of Autotune as a utility might require a similar condemnation of quantization, compressors, or even equalizers… anything that “corrects” what is perceived as flaw. ; )
“Digital does exactly what it is told.” - interesting position. i sometimes have a feeling it doesn’t want to cooperate at all. especially if it’s a computer.
That just reminds me of a funny video I saw about a Mac. The bloke said that you don’t operate it, but you have to trick it into doing what you want it to.
Internet communication is really a terrible thing. It should be called “mis-communication” as at times it is so hard to convey what you really mean. No hard feelings!
Seriously guys, my first computer was a G3 laptop 6 years ago.
I still use it. I can’t do anything without it freezing. Open a document - locks up and have to reboot.
Man, just printing off two contracts took me 45 minutes because it kept locking up. The problem always got worse and worse. To me, Windows is essential as I’m also a gamer. Name me one professional flight or train simulator for the Mac?
I really don’t want to get into this, but the reason your G3 from 6 years ago locks up is BECAUSE its a G3 from 6 years ago. This does not happen on newer G4s (at least mine) and I run mine pretty hard with audio and engineering software. I’m not a computer gamer (consoles for me) so I don’t really care about games.
In fact, I’m running Matlab right now without a hitch! When I run Matlab at school on the PCs, it crashes about every 10 minutes. Anyone know much about mu-law and A-law companding?
The strange thing is that my friend has an even older Mac laptop that is more reliable than mine. I guess OS 8.6 wasn’t very stable, then? The experience has put me off for life, but although I am a console gamer, I need my PC to drive trains, and fly planes on lol!
Well, if you want a tale of reliability, I fired up my 1989 Mac SE last week after a spell in my dark damp cellar of more than 10 years. After zapping the P-RAM, it booted up happily with the following question on-screen:
BTW, OSX has made a big difference in the world of Macs IMO. If a program crashes, you just force quite it and go about your business. This was not the case pre-OSX.
No dice. Digital does what it is told (DSP/simulation). Analog is much more complicated!
(just and opinion)!
