$6,495.00 ???

I’m sure that it cost way more than that, with assembly costs added in..

Also, you have not played it. So, it would be hard to say whether or not , it’s over priced.. Right?

You have to look at it from a historical perspective. The first of any technology is not consumer accessible. It’s not about Moog targeting high end buyers (that is actually the end result) it’s that the cost of the instrument is so high. It’s taken years of development (guys getting paid for work on an instrument that was not yet creating revenue) and don’t forget how small a company moog is. Sure they’re ubiquitous, but there’s no high volume sales to make a revenue stream to fund such a project.

Then there’s the fact that if a synth company is going to make a guitar and be successful, it has to be well built. The electronics would be worthless if it was housed in an affordable body like a squier or epiphone. If they are going to get any credibility in a new market, their guitar has to be flawless and masterful, so that even Leo Fender or Paul Reid Smith would be impressed at the craftmanship.

Which brings up the fact that they couldn’t build the guitar themselves, they contracted a high end luthier. A necessary expense if they were going to earn respect. And the luthier isn’t doing the work pro bono either…they have to make their profit.

And then there’s the fact that it’s new technology. The strings that make the guitar work were designed for the guitar. more r&d, plus retooling of machines in factories to produce the strings.

and then there’s the electronics. more electronics than is in the voyager (according to theglyph) in a product that is not established…for instance, they can’t buy the parts they need in bulk because it’s a brand new product with unique parts. if it becomes successful, then it becomes economical to produce larger quantities of the parts, which drives down the costs

and then after recouping all those expenses, they have to make a profit.

and the reason they need to make a profit is so that the guitar becomes a success, so that production increases, revenues increases, and finally, investments can be made to make a more affordable version.

The car was around a long time before henry ford made it accessible to the everyday man.

the computer took decades before it became cheap enough for everyone to own.

granted, this isn’t a car or computer, but you’re asking for new technology to be affordable right out of the gate. it’s just not possible without a lot of startup capital, which moog, being a small company, does not have. that’s what it means to be boutique.

So, the short answer is, the point of having a guitar that nobody can afford is to make enough money so that later on down the road, they will have the capability to make a guitar that more people can afford.

I know i’m pretty defensive here for a company that I have no financial stock in, but it is unfair to basically accuse them of greed.

yeah thats right…shit thats alotta bits and peices

Sounds like it’s more robot than guitar.

Kind of like guitar in this band:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c2JChnwv2Ws

:wink:

Hey, for this price it ought to convert your brainwaves directly into CV’s!

AWESOME!

I’ll have to wait for the affordable version. Hopefully it comes up within the next year. :frowning:

I reckon there are at least 3000 parts in the Voyager:

(http://till-kopper.de/voyager.html
Regards Till!)

But anyway, it’s [3000] still a lot of parts for a guitar.

If we’re counting, how many does the Gibson Robot Guitar have?

So when’s the bass coming out? :laughing:

I’m actually moreso trying to figure out why a Gibson Les Paul Historic Murphy would be worth $6,500. This guitar has MUCH more to it, and honestly I trust Zion more than I trust the super-corporate entity known as Gibson.

Look at it this way, if they started off with somehow a “cheaper” model, and said that they would put a out a premium model later… how would that work to quickly pay for R&D? Things never happen that way. Its a tax basically on early adopters. Remember when a 42" HDTV was $20,000? It wasn’t that long ago and those ones were 720p! Now you can pick them up for a grand any day. I don’t think the moog guitar will drop prices to the same scale however.

Look at the crap that Line 6, Fender and Roland have done. Line 6’s Variax 500 (what they released with) is a piece of crap guitar. I have been trying to get ‘just the guts’ to it for years to retrofit into a guitar that doesn’t suck. Cool technology, but its on a guitar that I wouldn’t play to save my life.

Fender/Roland have their MIM piece of crap hex pickup guitar. The thing sucks balls and feels like its worth $100. Again, its just better to get a Ghost hex system and put it on a good American strat.

I’m glad that Moog is doing it this way. The concept that “no one will buy them” is insane. I wouldn’t be shocked if they aren’t sold out rather quickly. Glance on your CD shelf. Oh right, most of those people on those CDs are professional musicians. Tax writeoff/depreciation! Do you think that Trent Reznor is going to have a hard time affording 2 or 3 of these? I think not.

You’re just jealous because you perhaps aren’t as sucessful as a musician as you’d like to be. If Moog put out a Modular system again, you’d all be crying like little girls with skinned knees because you forgot that they were $10,000 or so in the 60’s. That’s like $60 grand now!!! But yet I think that depending how many of them they made, they might just be able to sell a handful of them.

So for comparison sake, a Gibson Custom Les Paul (just 'cause almost everyone knows what they are) and a Voyager together cost around $6500, then you need a hammer because that control cavity in the Les Paul is really small…


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Realistically it’s not completely out of this world pricing, it is a lot, and I won’t be spending this much on it, if I ever do get one, but considering the above statement it makes sense. I’m glad it’s not 60K, at least it has a shot of a longer lifetime, and becoming more realistically priced.

If I could write one off to keep it around I would, and more specifically if I had this much to spend on an axe, I would buy it, and not some historic Les Paul.

All I have to say is…www.alembic.com. I configured a $26,000 bass guitar. No that is not a typo. :unamused:

I bet that Pete Townshend would have thought twice in his guitar smashing days about this one. :lol: I do look fwd to hearing it on a cd (whether it be Trent or in another band) vs demos and how they fit it into the mix. There will be a number of high end studios buying them as well. This may be the beginning of more new gear from Moog sort of like how Korg used the Oasys and the tech. began to flow into lower priced gear. I know that Korg is many times the size of MM but I can see this as the jump off point for new directions to stay innovative and branch out into new markets given the relatively low volume sales of synths.

if they want a sales boost i suggest a 3 or 4 voice poly expander …everyone with a voyager or phatty will buy one…$500 bucks would ensure ALOT of sales

BIG thumbs up on this sentiment! Polyphony expander seems like a no brainer compared to this new guitar.

Heres my theory,
Ill bet that everyone on this forum, myself included will wish that we bought one of these guitars at 6K or even 8 K seeing as how people are getting raped and vanquished on Model D’s and Etherwave Pros on Ebay and Craigslist these days.

Wait until we see one go for 24K and we will wish we had sold our voyagers and other gear to buy just 1 so we coudl buy all our gear back and a LOT more.

My 2 pisos.

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VERY true… i think if i sold ALL my gear i could afford it. i might beable to keep one pedal :cry:

Well, yeah. I mean, look at what a Micromoog is going for! I saw a Prodigy sell for $750 at Music Go Round in Kenosha, and it had a chipped key and was missing two knobs! That’s Moog, though. Everything can be a collector’s item if it’s got Moog on it. :unamused:

THere is a reason why Moogs become collectors items though and I think Michelle Moog-Koussa said it best:

Moog just has the best sound in the industry and thats all there is to it.