Will the 104z delay LFOs and control voltage, or does it have DC blocking caps in it’s chain?
I have always wanted a trigger delay, while this isn’t the same thing… if it could process that type of signal, I would be incredibly happy.
There is most likely a DC blocking to prevent massive DC offset when using feedback.
If you have a CP-251, you could apply a Gate trigger signal to the Lag Processor to get some delay with long Attack settings (instead of an instant ‘ON’, the Gate trigger ramps up to +5V).
Used this way, the Lag Processor also serves as a primitive AR generator as well.
Matt,
Do you have any other Foogers like the filter, freqbox or the cp251?
Perhaps you could use an envelope follower to “trigger” the mix amount at the proper time to embelish the notes you want to delay. Or you can simply control the mix amount manually with an expression pedal. I have also yearned for this capabillity in a VC delay, or that the delay circuit would produce a trigger that I could send elsewhere.
Ill bet that any of these Foogers would sound superb with a violin!
Greg,
You know, Id really like to see some detailed instructions on the lag processor. Ive read my manual several times and I still haven’t quite figured out exactly how best to apply it.
WHat I was trying to do was to use the LFO of the cp251 to control the freq of the ringmod. It was a complex waveform, combining the triangles of the 2 units together without the mixer. I could actually perform what I was trying to do with my hands in realtime as i played but I figured it was possible to have the cp take care of it and for the most part it did.
You know on the ring mod HI Freq, if you move it very slightly it has a dramatic effect. I was trying to get the cp to modulate the ring mod very slightly. If i knew the exact amount of voltage that I was trying to vary it would help. I didn’t know if the lag processor or the attenuator would achieve my desired effect but I had to settle for what I set it because it is difficult to do. Id post a sample but I don’t know how. In the end it was the attenuator that won. I know essentially what the lag processor is supposed to do but being able to really control its effect on the waveform at this time is escaping me.
Got a basic patch Idea that will school me?
Eric
I have 2x 101 the Murf, And Control processor as well as a 3 oscillator .com synth that has 4 VCAs, 4 Envelopes, 2 sample and hold modules, and vaious other goodies. 
I would be interested in either a true trigger delay, or the possibility of getting a true time delay of the ±5 CV that I use in the modular. if
IE. play a melody on the VCO, and then have the VCF filter cutoff respond to the same pitch, but 1 bar later…
Matt
THat effect sounds neat.
I have read on here, people reccomending to take the envelope follower out from either the Freq or the 101 and send it to the trigger input on the CP sample and hold and it will go off almost randomly responding to your particular volume levels. You maybe can try something similar to that running the envelope out to the mix input on the delay…thats about the best that I can come up with.
Now if you had an envelope generator such as the dotcom version then you could make it trigger the mix amount but it might not be exactly like having the delay inactive until its triggered but it woudl be close. The dotcom envelope generator has a push button trigger on the front panel but it would be hard to activate while bowing the violin lol.
THe only other alternative would be to just use it as a stomp box…but who really wants to put their shoes on the 700 dollar pedal?
Wish i could be of more help!
Eric
Yea… I do have 3x Q109 .com envelope generators, as well as the Q108 instrument interface- (which gives envelope, Gate and trigger information from an audio source) and frequently use them to cross modulate one audi source form another. (have the drums trigger filter sweeps on the keys, etc. I have and use numerous way to get the random effect… (my favorite is to run a LFO through sample and hold slighly out of time with each other… and sequence the resultant pattern)
I am looking for a true auctual copy of the CV information being sent to be delayed… the slew and envelopes and other stuff will create an effect that resembles delayed triggers.. and can (depending on threshold settings) some what delay a trigger with slew…
oh well I could technically run 2 passes with my midi to CV converter.. 1 for pitch and 1 for filter cutoffs… but that isn’t the same.
I guess thinking it over… if one would mod the 104z to short out the DC blocking caps (which i have heard of being done on analog tape recorders to use voltage to control light shows) it would only work if there was 1 repeat, and if it was not mixed in with the dry.
I am not about to mod a 104z though.. dont worry
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I remember a few years ago OysterRock (I wonder where he went?) did use a 104 to delay some CV. I’ll try and find it.
So we can actually put a cv through the delay? Use the Delay out to trigger something else or to send the cv out or do we have to use the audio out?
Id certianly try this but my studio is in dissarray as I got everything finally racked up in a cabinet but I don’t have the power strips/extension cords.
Eric
I’ll try it this afternoon. My 104Z is supposed to be returned to me today.
Bryan
OK. that post just made my day.
thanks for the link.. i didn’t find that in searches. “delay” “cv” and the like are too common to turn up anything to specific unless you know what you are looking for.
I hope to have a .com sequencer someday… I just bought an electric violin that put my back over 3K.. so it might be a bit longer.. i will try to post some pics of my setup. That electric violin is a flying V 6 string fretted… so I am not complaining too much it goes almost an octave below a guitar.
mine is like this.. but in blue burl rather than green burl
From my experiments this afternoon, I don’t think that the 104Z can delay CV signals. I was using the square wave LFO on the CP-251 (attenuated a bit to keep it from overloading the preamp on the delay), into the audio in on the delay, and then I had the mix out going into the frequency input on my low pass filter, which was set to self-oscillate.
With the delay out of the circuit the pitch of the LPF switched between two frequencies. With the delay in the circuit, but bypassed, the low pass filter switched between two frequencies, but not as it should - the frequencies were closer together and it didn’t have a square wave pattern, it added some pitch bending to it. When the delay was in the signal, but with the mix set at 0, the low pass filter only oscillated at one frequency. That makes me think that the LFO signal was filtered out.
Bryan
i emailed tech support and asked if they know… also if there were any differences between teh 3 models.
MAtt
THanks for the feedback on this.
Ill have to try this tonight. Im going to cash this Moog rebate check and get a couple of power strips and extension cords so that I can get power to my rack.
Eric
that is the most insane violin EVER!
You should hear how it sounds It is held on with a guitar strap, and is the most comfy electric I have ever played
It is built by one of the founding members of Trans Siberian Orchestra.
ill look on youtube to see if i can find some demos
Here are some recent clips of the tone I was getting off the violin after having it for 1 week. this is what I am hoping to delay (and have some CV delay onptions to) aka 2 101 filters in stereo one sweeping a beat behind. WHen I run my 101’s’ in stereo.. I don’t have them lined up yet.
You will hear a murf clip or two in there…
http://www.myspace.com/mattthefiddlermusic
I hate myspace. moving my music elsewhere…