0.9.31 in Logic X

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I’m using Logic 10.1.1 (10.2.1 is doing something odd with some UAD plugins!)

I notice the patch changing is much more stable, I’ve only had a couple of instances of held notes so far. It still seems to be causing a MIDI loop occasionally as pressing the KB OCTAVE buttons doesn’t stop it, I have to stop from within Logic.

A couple of things I’ve noticed so far:

  1. You can’t turn the plugin off. Even when it appears to be off (i.e. power indicator and plugin on the instrument track are greyed out) it remains active. Could be an issue if you’re using the synth as a MIDI controller on other tracks and there’s automation on the S37 track? I’ve not thought this through fully - just an observation really.

  2. Clicking on the left/right buttons in the main Logic controls (i.e. in the black strip above the plugin, underneath the power indicator and ‘default’ text) silences the synth. The plugin still works, changing parameters or patches still looks OK on the screen and synth, the MIDI activity indicator is still showing incoming MIDI etc. There doesn’t seem to be any way of getting sound from the synth, however, without a power cycle. I know it makes no sense to click these buttons!! but I did it by accident

Cheers.

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I will check into this. Meanwhile I’d be interested to know how you get that midi loop… if there a repetitive scenario for it ?

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HI Gil,

It’s much more stable, so more difficult to reproduce. I’ve had another play this morning, however, and found its a problem with Seq patches. Here’s what I did:

Play from the external MIDI channel in Logic (all local off on synth)
Play and hold a note on B01-08 BAD ATMOS FEAR
Double click while holding to B01 06 ASHEEED MOOGER

The note holds
Looking at the programming panel on the synth… the Seq is on pause at a random position between 1-16 . playing another note moves the seq to position 1 or 2 and holding results in a seq mess. The note is still latched on releasing the key. Pressing the KB OCT keys doesn’t stop the note - I must stop it from Logic full MIDI reset. The preset then plays as it should while holding a note for a couple of loops of the sequencer, before the note holds again. Attempting this again with Local On leaves the seq playing (MIDI light constantly red)

Choosing a new preset from the hardware panel then resets the note.

I tried this a few times to make sure it was repeatable.. and on the 4th time it is working fine. Holding a note on B01-08 and clicking on 01-06 from the hardware panel works fine.

Another few changes from random presets and its doing it again.

Clicking Seq ON on the synth also stops the sound temporarily, but playing anything else holds a latch. Only reseting from Logic will stop it fully.

So I think I’ve narrowed it down to sounds with Seqences. The behaviour is repeatable on the Seq presets e.g. 7-15 Gyro House, 8-01 Braid Walker, 8-02 Acid Wiggler, 8-03-Mind Bender etc and you don’t actually need to hold a note while changing sounds from the hardware panel. Loading the sound from the hardware panel or even the synth itself will cause the problem.

MIDI monitor shows clock messages from the SUb37 BTW.

It’s also repeatable when choosing from the seq category in the preset browser.

So it might haves nothing to do with loading the sounds - possibly something to do with receiving MIDI clock from the Sub37 sequencer?

Also, playing from the Instrument track (as opposed to the external MIDI track in Logic) seems to get rid of any of these problems.

With this in mind I loaded a non-sequence preset I’d made and added a seq.. the trouble started again. With the Seq ‘ON’ (using the button on the synth) I can’t play anything the seq appears to be stuck on pause . Turning Seq ‘OFF’ I can play the sound normally. So I attempted with another of my patches.

I’ve repeated it lots of times on the same two sounds. One of which always has problems, the other is always fine. I’ve attempted to recreated this from an init patch and can get the same latching behaviour.

I then turned off the S37 and unplugged the USB.

I returned to the 2 of my presets I was testing earlier - to see if this was a Logic problem - and discovered that the one that wasn’t working correctly within Logic wouldn’t play a seq. ie if i record a seq I cannot play it. Without the seq the sound is fine.. nothing to do with the plugins, MIDI etc. I’ve saved the sounds and tried to attach them to this but they don’t show up in the preview. I can email them..

Hope something in this can point to a solution.

Cheers,

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Hi StarskyCarr,

Thanks for putting in some good time testing this and writing up your results!

I’m glad program change is getting better, and of course I’d like to see it go the whole way towards “good” :slight_smile:

I am using LPX 10.2.1 here, but I suspect all of the basic MIDI I/O settings will behave the same as in your version.
If you could email the presets you were testing to me (at amos at moogmusic dot com) I’d be glad to check em out here.

If you have a simple skeleton Logic project so I can be sure I’m using exactly the same project settings as well, that would be super.
Although I guess the needed settings are simple to duplicate here as well. :slight_smile:

Cheers,

Amos

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Hi,

All reported issues added to the queue,

thanks for the detailed report!

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The left/right issue should be fixed since 0.9.34. Are you able to confirm ?

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sorry.. I missed this this.

Yes it’s OK now.

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ok thanks for verifying !