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not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby n2design » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:01 pm

Anyone else think the murf is too subtle, and lacks definition? Considering selling it for a different MF'r.

thoughts?
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby jeepo » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:22 pm

Too subtle in what application? I really like mine for adding percussive qualities to sounds or to make drones and radios creepy. Do you have the midi version? I think the ability to program the patterns makes the midi version far more versatile. I do think the inclusion of a resonance knob would have made the murf's filters a lot more addaptable. Try playing with the envelope knob. It is quite sensitive. When adjusting my murf I usually turn the mix all the way up because it makes setting the envelope easier, I then adjust mix to taste. Also turning the drive up makes the filtering more apparent.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby jeepo » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:25 pm

Sepparate controls for attack and decay would have been really useful too
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby shortsleeves » Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:45 am

Well, it sure can be subtle – it all depends on the richness of the signal Murf is fed, and the position of the Mix knob. It seems Murf only kicks in noticeably when the knob is past 3 o'clock.

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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby Rabalder » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:33 am

shortsleeves wrote:it all depends on the richness of the signal Murf is fed

This^
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby vasago » Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:50 am

I dont think its subtle at all. In fact, the murf mangles the original signal into something new. Its extremely powerful, and I am ashamed to admit I barely use it.

Hints, try using the knobs! :D

But in all seriousness, what are you using it for/with?
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby jeepo » Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:39 pm

vasago wrote:But in all seriousness, what are you using it for/with?


I too am curious as to your application. Please do tell.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby _DemonDan_ » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:22 pm

n2design wrote:Anyone else think the murf is too subtle, and lacks definition?
Thoughts?

Hi n2design,

One consideration: The MuRF shares a commonality with a Vocoder in that
it prefers a full-spectrum sound source to really deliver its full potential.

Taking this to the extreme, try feeding white noise into your MuRF and
experiment with that until you learn all the variations that are offered.

After that, it will be easier to dial in what you're looking for when you
feed it less spectrum-rich audio.

Hope this helps,
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby jeepo » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:54 pm

_DemonDan_ wrote:Taking this to the extreme, try feeding white noise into your MuRF and
experiment with that until you learn all the variations that are offered.


DemonDan's suggestion is a good one. If you don't have a real white noise source radio static can provide great results.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby vasago » Fri Mar 30, 2012 4:04 pm

Also, basslines / bass sounds sound great through a murf. If you have access to a taurus, I hihgly recommend feeding it through a murf.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby n2design » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:04 pm

Thanks for all the replies. I am using it with a moog voyager.

I think I will try it with a guitar, and my alesis andromeda. I think the andromeda can get a full spectrum of sound. Aslo like the tip about trying it with whitenoise at that is full spectrum.

Too bad this doesnt have a stereo in.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby jeepo » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:19 pm

n2design wrote:Too bad this doesnt have a stereo in.


It may not, but two of them have stereo inputs and quad outputs with 16 filters :wink:
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby Sir Nose » Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:40 pm

jeepo wrote:Sepparate controls for attack and decay would have been really useful too


For a simple AR envelope I love the way it is implemented in the MuRF. Tweaking/LFO on the envelope while playing makes me happy, very expressive.

To the OP: try a tight envelope on a slide. And like said earlier: lots of harmonic content=good quality murf food. Create some synth patches from scratch while feeding the Murf at 100% mix out. What sounds good through the murf sometimes sounds like total crap when it's not.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby EricK » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:25 am

When I had my Murf I thought it was absolutely fantastic. The only thing about it was that it had a 60 cycle hum on a single filter that seemed to respond to the envelope. It rendered the Mids section of the murf totally useless for recording. It was a shame because I never got to explore the Midi aspect of it and I actually loved it.

I traded it plus 80 dollars for the 101 and 103 foogers.


My favorite thing to do was to run the delay into the murf and each delay would appear on a different side of the mix.

Heres a video of the Murf with the T3.
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Re: not digging the murf, lacks definition

Postby ColorForm2113 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:34 am

I had a similar experience actually, mine was a second experience though. When I bought it I tried it with guitar at the store and fell in love then I got home and had my micro moog drone a single note while I tweaked and I thought I broke it or something lol. Then as I started to add noise and sub osc and play with waveforms it started to come alive. Boring in = boring out, complex in = Amazing out! I find the more I run into it at the same time the better it gets. Put a little ring mod after it and you'll be cruising around the cat's eye nebula in no time
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