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Because it isn't said enough here.

Postby mico » Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:02 am

It is far too seldom that you find threads on forums that sing praise about a product. Truth be told, we are often so immersed in the product that has delivered so superbly well that the thought seldom comes across our mind. I, of course, am no exception to this.

I would like to take a moment and speak positively about Moog's latest monosynth, the Sub Phatty.

It is too often that people speak of perfection as though it were something not only tangible, but absolute. What is one's ideal of perfection isn't another's; perfection is a matter of subjectivity. With that in mind, I shall begin to state my thoughts on the Sub Phatty.

I haven't gone toe-to-toe with the Voyager XL, but I have owned the Taurus, Taurus 3, Little Phatty Stage II (w/CV Out mod), Voyager Select Series, and now the Sub Phatty. While I may've sold all my previous monosynths, it was to no fault of their own. I am not a collector; I'm a hobbyist. I fuel my music with sales from my music and from downsizing other gear. I have a rather good relationship with my Moog vendor so I'm hardly ever really taking a risk with any of my purchases. That said, I never get "stuck" with an instrument that I'm not content with. During each phase for which I owned own these synthesizers -oftentimes in pairs - each of them not only served their purposes, but exceeded my expectations.

The tradition continues with the Sub Phatty.

I am coming from a LP SE II + T3 combination. It was a marvelous combination, but I needed to make room in my workstation area. That said, I let go of each piece in order to finance other pieces of gear of completely different purposes. That is, of course, with the exception of the Sub Phatty.

When the Sub Phatty arrived, I had - what I thought were - pretty extreme expectations. And yet again, Moog exceeded them.

The copious amounts of knobs was exactly what i was missing desperately from both the LP SE II. The brand new oscillators are a thing of beauty. While some will argue that the stability of them is a detriment to the analog spirit of the machine, I would beg to differ. You can easily fine tune the amount of detuning you want with the glorious addition of the B. Frequency parameter that I fancied so much on the T3. This attributes to one of the most gracious offerings the Sub Phatty offers: unparallel control.

With the amount of control you are given through the hidden parameters, you can make things as predictable as do so please. This is something that, in my opinion, assures Moog's position at the forefront of analog monosynths.

I'm not entirely sure how people draw the conclusion that the Sub Phatty is nothing more than a rehash. I can understand the choice term "culmination," but not "rehash". The Multidrive parameter alone is noteworthy. While to some, they see only one new parameter but using this one new parameter can result in almost an insurmountable quantity of sonic possibilities.

I could go on, but I will cut this short. The Sub Phatty is the ideal analog monosynth for me personally. I craft generative, drone, and ambient sonic architectures. The Sub Phatty provides me with an outstanding sonic pallete for which I may illustrate and draw from.

Thanks for reading.
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Re: Because it isn't said enough here.

Postby nectarios » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:51 am

It shall be mine as well, one day...I am broke now. But lusting for it, has me using my Moog gear even more.
There is something about Moog and their synths, it appears they are re-hashing the Model D still, but the post Bob Moog synths, have been keeping me ever so interested.
Its like their are in my mind of things I would like to have, not to have a completely different sound, but to have the Moog sound, with an added optional twist and unparalleled control.

Nothing negative on Bob, bless him he gave us the Moog sound, but who ever is running things now, is doing something right and I hope the business side of things goes great, so that they can make the next Moog synth that I am going to have such a blast using.
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Re: Because it isn't said enough here.

Postby toryjames » Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:07 am

Another thing I love about Moog is they don't cut corners or make ethical compromises to keep costs down. My LP dust cover came the other day and when I looked at the tag it said "made in USA," something you don't often see anymore. It made me smile.
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Re: Because it isn't said enough here.

Postby GregVDS » Sat Apr 25, 2015 4:48 am

Regarding the title of your thread, I began that thread a while:

Just to counterbalance the tendency of all forum to be a long list of problems and discontent customers, a very false image in my opinion.

I also began a SN list, where every Sub37 owner can give some details, including problems/history. I hope to see that list grow and see the faulty units to be diluted in a sea of happy users that never had one problem with their synth :-).

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Re: Because it isn't said enough here.

Postby Mike37 » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:31 pm

I agree with the sentiments here. I got my Sub 37 a few days ago, and it's great. :) It was a bit weird at first, as the Sub 37's oscillators and filter behave a bit differently than on Voyager. After becoming familiar with Sub 37's architecture and sound, in some ways I prefer Sub 37 with its mixer+overdrive functions and oscillators with more high freq content.

Sub 37 truly delivers that beautiful vintage analog sound, and the youtube videos out there don't do this synth justice IMO. The architecture of this synth is pure genius. The keyboard reset buttons are very useful, as are the ability to use glide on only one osc. The sub osc makes a big difference for huge Minimoog-type sounds, and the mod busses are great for adding vintage "imperfections". I like how the extended high range of the LFOs can produce some FM-like sounds and metallic sonorities. Yes, I miss Voyager's FM, 3.5 octave keyboard and BP filter, but Sub 37 has many other improvements (non-temperature dependent osc., filter pole setting directly on the panel etc.). I'm just hugely impressed with the sound, design and layout of the Sub 37 (and I'm very picky). Moog did great with this one!

PS: The build quality of my unit is perfect. All the knobs and buttons are firm, and the quality of the wood is equal to Voyager. This right here is one happy customer. :D
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