MF Ring Modulator + Voyager

punkdisco · Post by **punkdisco** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:59 am

Hi - dont have any experience of Ring Modulation (RM) but seen a used one for sale. So, will it give me much mileage with my Voyager + vx351. Is this pedal a one trick pony? Can't say that I really need another LFO..

I have this to listen to when I get home (cant listen to mp3s at work)

http://www.harmony-central.com/Reviews/ ... r/002.html

so this will give me an idea of what RM is all about..

MarkM · Post by **MarkM** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:34 am

I like it a lot. One of the best effects is the vibrato it can produce. Plus yo can feed you own carrier waves into it for different flavors.

Lengai · Post by **Lengai** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:37 pm

Get it. You'll be very happy that you did. It's definitely not a one trick pony.

Indeed · Post by **Indeed** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:45 am

the vibrato is nuts on the Ring Mod. There are moments of pure amazement at the gorgeousness of the vibrato (on a Rhodes, at least)...but it also works well w/certain organ type sounds I seem to conjure up on the Voyager.

Another thing is the wicked atonal type distortion. Its a very subtle pedal. Only for those who knowz... "Be patient" is what I'm learning about Moog gear. Their secret mojo gets revealed at the right moments... Its built real deep...appears simple, but is extremely versatile and rip-roarin!!!

Buy it from those fools who didn't have the patience or taste! That's what I did, it took me about 6 months to really dig into it...But once I found the vein, I was lead to more and more gold...

punkdisco · Post by **punkdisco** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:03 am

Hi - thanks for all the replies so far. It does look intriguing.

I listened to the audio clips last night and to be honest, these Ring Modulation clips sound a little like my least favourite effect: 'flanging'. Is this just because they have used the LFO to vary the amount, so you get a typical slow sine wave modulated flanger effect?

Also, regarding the Voyager, where do you guys put your Ring Mods? After the main outs or as an insert on the oscillators using the insert point (can't remember what the socket is called)?

Thanks again,

punkdisco · Post by **punkdisco** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:02 am

"Also, regarding the Voyager, where do you guys put your Ring Mods? After the main outs or as an insert on the oscillators using the insert point (can't remember what the socket is called)?"

Back at home now.. The insert point is called "Mixer Out/Filter In".

Thanks,

GregAE · Post by **GregAE** » Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:58 am

MarkM wrote:I like it a lot. One of the best effects is the vibrato it can produce.

I have a Ring Mod unit (not the MoogerFooger RM, though). With an extremely low
carrier setting, I get corresponding low Amplitude Modulation (AKA tremelo), not vibrato.

Could it be that the effect you hear as vibrato is really tremelo?

soundhound123 · Post by **soundhound123** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:11 am

i thought vibrato was amplitude modulatio, and tremelo was pitch modulation.

soundhound123 · Post by **soundhound123** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:12 am

the signature quote on the above message is my standard one, and i meant nothing by it

GregAE · Post by **GregAE** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 4:23 pm

soundhound123 wrote:i thought vibrato was amplitude modulatio, and tremelo was pitch modulation.

Vibrato describes a slow pitch (frequency) modulation. The frequency of a 'natural sounding' vibrato is around 5 or 6 Hz. This is generally true for singers, guitarists, horn players, etc. While synth players can get any vibrato frequency they choose, program it too slow and it sounds 'sick', make it too fast and it sounds comical. Go faster still and you get into the realm of FM.

Tremelo, on the other hand, describes a slow amplitude modulation. The frequency of a natural sounding tremelo is somewhere in the range of 3-6 Hz. A lower frequency begins to sound less like a tremelo and more like a fade in/fade out effect. A higher frequency tends to sound 'synthetic'. Go higher still and you get into the realm of AM.

- Greg

LWG · Post by **LWG** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:44 pm

Hello,

The mistaken reference to tremelo as vibrato goes back over thirty years.
Manufacturers of late sixties/early seventies vintage gear routinely, but mistakenly used the terms interchangeably.
Wurlitzer referred to the tremelo ckt of their 200/206 pianos as vibrato, Fender did the same with the suitcase Rhodes. In addition, some amplifier manufacturers also did the same with their guitar amps that featured the tremelo effect.

Regards,

LWG

MarkM · Post by **MarkM** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:08 pm

sorry. You're right. . .tremolo it is.

GregAE wrote:
MarkM wrote:I like it a lot. One of the best effects is the vibrato it can produce.
I have a Ring Mod unit (not the MoogerFooger RM, though). With an extremely low
carrier setting, I get corresponding low Amplitude Modulation (AKA tremelo), not vibrato.

Could it be that the effect you hear as vibrato is really tremelo?

GregAE · Post by **GregAE** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:28 am

LWG wrote:... The mistaken reference to tremelo as vibrato goes back over thirty years.

You're right! I remember reading that recently in "Guitar Effects Pedals - The Practical Handbook". Quoting from page 11:

"Fender was often guilty of mislabeling an amp 'vibrato' when the effect it carried was actually tremelo (conversely, Leo Fender also named his Strat's vibrato unit a 'tremelo arm')."

Small wonder people are confused about this...

Thanks for pointing this out, LWG!

- Greg

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