Vibrato under pressure on Re Issue Model D Help please

[Hooch]

I need control over vibrato depth
with pressure.
I have to play one handed while covering other things.

Most every synth is capable of this and I'm just not finding a way.
I can whammy the oscillator pitch up but that's not controllable with consistency.

The mod source input means having something that can change voltages outside of the D.
There is no access to the oscillators separately.
Do I need a 4th LFO ?
Do I need a mod? Would Moog do it? No hope of firmware updates here I think
except to the midi functionality?

Take the pressure out to something that can bring a varied +- control voltage into the oscillator in?
A moogerfooger perhaps?
A Mother?
Questions, bring rise to questions, bring rise to....

Any help would be appreciated. I

[Hooch]

After some practice I think the pressure out to oscillator in and
with the dial on the back barely cracked off full off,
you can do basic vibrato just like a real guitar string which is always up anyway.
If I'm doing solo violin type of emu's I'll have both hands anyway.

Is just really difficult to perform when your doing 3 things with one hand on the left with the Mini,
piano, vocoder, and synth stabs on the right, all in 2 bars of a song.

I have to close my eyes and just do. Not think.
Those little important synth notes with extreme vibrato are hard to get right.

Kicking bass with one hand too.
I need vibrato.

Hooch

[Hooch]

I called moog.
There isn't a way to do this.
Not without doing a destructive mod of
some kinds but I haven't totally given up.
I need an LFO to experiment with.

Or my other thought was going
old school like an Egyptian
and making a pedal that attaches
to the wheel and mechanically
give it some gas.
There were sewing machines that did this.
Steam powered shop tools via tension
belts in the 1800's etc.
Cars in the recent past.

We will see. I've got to make a trip to a junk
yard and a modular dealer.
I want a very small midi controlable LFO.

I've also been looking at the schematics.
The mod source input is in the right place to do something like the new
onboard LFO.
The specs don't say exactly how and what to use in this jack
to leverage its potential.

Brothers and sisters if you have any ideas or can try some experiments
at this jack to see what it can do.
Is it looking for a potentometer to do its thing or a voltage?
Can it go from a +5 through zero to a -5 and that effects pitch like the LFO?
So that I could somehow add LFO to pressure?

Thanks for any tips.
I'm about to go crazy trying to solve this.
Maybe someone with a modular can try some things.
I wish I knew anyone that had one.

Hooch

[stiiiiiiive]

Just thinking outloud here.

Solution 1: A MIDI LFO or VCLFO could to the trick: patch the aftertouch output to its depth, and its output to the Model D’s mod source input and set the modulation to pitch. Is that possible? Otherwise MIDI will do the job I guess. Small modular box? Check the ACX’s LFO. If you’re lucky enough, get a MP-201, though it’s not what I’d call “small”. Or a CP-251

Solution 2: MoogMusic stated it was not easily feasible but what about that: add a normalized CV input in series with the modwheel so that anything patched in there replaces the modwheel. Then patch the aftertouch to it so that AT replaces the MW.

[Hooch]

Those are my 2 thoughts as of now.
The midi to LFO to input may not be the answer
because I'm not sure what the mod source input
is meant to be for.

If I could get my hands on an LFO that's addressable
via pressure cv that would be ideal.
Then I could source a very small one and
attach it somehow.

I tried a cv pedal( a boss 500vl)
It just put the noise mod level under foot.
That's all it would do.

The normaled Jack to the mod wheel
sounds ideal to me
and I'm surprised it's not already there.
Perhaps I could have it done in place of
the fairly unneeded pitch Jack that's already there.
I tried wiggling the keys with pressure to
oscillator but it's wildly inconsistent.
Sure there is a little attenuator on the back
but the keyboards response to pressure, though
good, varies too much between white and black
keys due to the differences in applicable force.

Some of you may be crying blasphemy
but I'm using this as a performance instrument.
I need as many variables under one finger as I can get
and vibrato sure is an important one.

Hooch

[Hooch]

Wow.

Nobody has done this with an original D retrofit or anything?
I'm about ready to try a bar from a small self propelled lawn mower
and do this mechanically.
Or maybe a knee swell pedal from a Farfisa. Remember those?

Also is there a way to adjust the pitch bend max setting?
A trim pot somewhere?
I've used wheels forever.
Being able to move the pitch wheel in musical ways makes more sense than
what the interval is now.

Thanks for any suggestions.
No matter how wacky.

John

[Hooch]

Well I got my question answered by Moog tech support.
Using a CP-251 I can use the cv out of pressure from the Mini.
Then use the LFO in the CP-251 jack in to the mini oscillator CV in.
The oscillator in will give vibrato centered on pitch.
Not additive. Done.

I think I can get nutty with this and use the Lag processor for some
modular tricks modulating the LFO itself.
Maybe increasing LFO speed and intensity at the same time with pressure.
Or possibly doing auto vibrato.
This is going to be fun.

I just wish it was smaller.